Meanwhile In England

[Nowack]

12 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

The whole point of this grooming gang scandal is that it was COVERED UP because of their ethnicity/religion. Highlighting white perpetrators who HAVE been convicted surely just highlights the problem. Doesn’t it? 

It does but I think the issue is that all victims have been let down by the abuse being covered up. 

Catholic Church = covered up

Football coaches = covered up

Scouting movement = covered up

Media personalities = covered up

Children's homes = covered up

[bolty58]

36 minutes ago, gonzo said:

This seems to get forgotten.

 

To remember it would be 'racist' would it not?

[Zico]

12 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

The whole point of this grooming gang scandal is that it was COVERED UP because of their ethnicity/religion. Highlighting white perpetrators who HAVE been convicted surely just highlights the problem. Doesn’t it? 

we only hear about these gangs on here when they have been arrested and charged 

The reports / inquires have shown failings across many cases where police and public services let the victims down, but I don't think that's the point People are generally making 

And the main issue of many paedo cases regardless of ethnicity is there is always a cover up or blind eye

I'd say the gist of these threads these days are folk saying "I see more Muslims have been raping kids, they're always raping kids", and the retort is "it's not just Muslims who rape kids" 

That's how I see it anyway, it never feels like a discussion about institutional failings

[BobyBrno]

Just now, Nowack said:

It does but I think the issue is that all victims have been let down by the abuse being covered up. 

Catholic Church = covered up

Football coaches = covered up

Scouting movement = covered up

Media personalities = covered up

Children's homes = covered up

Yes, but the report by Baroness Casey highlighted the problem in certain ethnic communities. She actually said that the problems were “shied away from”.
The full extent will hopefully be revealed when the inquiry is complete. 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2r2ejlvm1o.amp

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Zico said:

we only hear about these gangs on here when they have been arrested and charged 

The reports / inquires have shown failings across many cases where police and public services let the victims down, but I don't think that's the point People are generally making 

I'd say the gist of these threads these days are folk saying "I see more Muslims have been raping kids, they're always raping kids", and the retort is "it's not just Muslims who rape kids" 

That's how I see it anyway, it never feels like a discussion about institutional failings

I doubt you will see one reply on here to a white man being jailed with “it’s not just white men that do it” it’s definitely the case when a Muslim grooming gang is posted. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

17 minutes ago, Nowack said:

It does but I think the issue is that all victims have been let down by the abuse being covered up. 

Catholic Church = covered up

Football coaches = covered up

Scouting movement = covered up

Media personalities = covered up

Children's homes = covered up

Absolutely correct. 

Then subsequent, specific investigation blew the lid on each one.

No one disagreed that the investigations were warranted, nor deflected from it.

So why the resistance to this situation?

Maybe the squeamish attitude of those in authority of going into taboo territory?

Maybe politicians not wanting to put their seats at risk?

Maybe the size, and the depth of the cover up, with some serious, high ranking people not wanting their part in it being exposed?

A very different approach, for whatever reason. 

[Zico]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

I doubt you will see one reply on here to a white man being jailed with “it’s not just white men that do it” it’s definitely the case when a Muslim grooming gang is posted. 

Aye, I don't disagree

The difference is people tend to be offended by the ethnicity rather than the crime when it's the Muslims doing it 

 

[Nowack]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Absolutely correct. 

Then subsequent, specific investigation blew the lid on each one.

No one disagreed that the investigations were warranted, nor deflected from it.

So why the resistance to this situation?

Maybe the squeamish attitude of those in authority of going into taboo territory?

Maybe politicians not wanting to put their seats at risk?

Maybe the size, and the depth of the cover up, with some serious, high ranking people not wanting their part in it being exposed?

A very different approach, for whatever reason. 

I`m not sure I see the differences or much resistance.

The Muslim Grooming Gangs have had a specific investigation, see Boby above, and I don`t think anyone believes that it wasn`t warranted. I don`t see a very different approach all I see are young vulnerable boys and girls being abused by people in positions of power in an organised and systematic manner.

We should expend more energy on trying to help those who will be the ones being abused in the future because the only fact is that some group will be around to groom them.

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, Nowack said:

I`m not sure I see the differences or much resistance.

The Muslim Grooming Gangs have had a specific investigation, see Boby above, and I don`t think anyone believes that it wasn`t warranted. I don`t see a very different approach all I see are young vulnerable boys and girls being abused by people in positions of power in an organised and systematic manner.

We should expend more energy on trying to help those who will be the ones being abused in the future because the only fact is that some group will be around to groom them.

What also seems to be a problem in today’s climate is folk are fixated with famous people committing these crimes yet there could be someone living on their street doing a lot worse. 

[Nowack]

As has been pointed out several times on here, often by friends and family.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

25 minutes ago, Nowack said:

I`m not sure I see the differences or much resistance.

The Muslim Grooming Gangs have had a specific investigation, see Boby above, and I don`t think anyone believes that it wasn`t warranted. I don`t see a very different approach all I see are young vulnerable boys and girls being abused by people in positions of power in an organised and systematic manner.

We should expend more energy on trying to help those who will be the ones being abused in the future because the only fact is that some group will be around to groom them.

They haven't.

One or two local jobs maybe, but without full legal powers.

Other investigations into specific examples may not have had public inquiries, but they may not have been needed if the full details had been revealed and measures put in place to help prevent it in the future.

This is a whole different ball game. 

An alien culture, being given succour by a culture of fear within wider society. Such a fear didn't exist with these other examples, and that is fundamentally different. 

As above, they may also be involvement by senior figures in government, police etc. These need to be revealed.

There is, and has been, clear and obvious resistance to this. Resistance that is still ongoing.

[Ani]

20 minutes ago, royal white said:

What also seems to be a problem in today’s climate is folk are fixated with famous people committing these crimes yet there could be someone living on their street doing a lot worse. 

As I posted yesterday , famous people are another example of ‘them’ so easy to blame ‘them’ when abuse is as likely to be committed by one of ‘us’. 
 

The soldier bloke you posted about the other day is a prime example. The danger is if we all have a perception of what a nonce or group of nonces look like then it makes it more likely that people will get away with by blending in. 
 

‘He seemed so normal’ 

[royal white]

Why did they let this get so bad? Surely someone noticed it earlier. 
 

 

[Zico]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Why did they let this get so bad? Surely someone noticed it earlier. 
 

 

Because no one wants to clean it up as it takes too much time and money

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Why did they let this get so bad? Surely someone noticed it earlier. 
 

 

A good few hundred 8 wheel loads there.

What actually is the rubbish made up of?

[Ani]

15 minutes ago, Dimron said:

A good few hundred 8 wheel loads there.

What actually is the rubbish made up of?

Labour manifestos 

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

They haven't.

One or two local jobs maybe, but without full legal powers.

Other investigations into specific examples may not have had public inquiries, but they may not have been needed if the full details had been revealed and measures put in place to help prevent it in the future.

This is a whole different ball game. 

An alien culture, being given succour by a culture of fear within wider society. Such a fear didn't exist with these other examples, and that is fundamentally different. 

As above, they may also be involvement by senior figures in government, police etc. These need to be revealed.

There is, and has been, clear and obvious resistance to this. Resistance that is still ongoing.

Which culture is alien ?

 As always, you’re making sweeping generalisations.

I don’t think anyone on here thinks we should shy away from the fact many of these gangs are Pakistani men. But neither should we be making assumptions about all Pakistani / Muslim men. Which is what you often do. 
 

There is a balance

And a “culture of fear didn't exist with these other examples”. 

What drivel . There was absolutely a culture of fear with the examples @Nowack gave. Victims were terrified to come forward & institutions were fearful so kept it covered up. Exactly why many of those examples took decades to uncover. 
 

[burnden]

This raise the colours lot have been in France finding and slashing dinghys it looks like .

 

[Zico]

2 minutes ago, burnden said:

This raise the colours lot have been in France finding and slashing dinghys it looks like .

 

Wonder who'll be more pissed off

The migrants or the French

[miamiwhite]

Valid point ?

 

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, burnden said:

This raise the colours lot have been in France finding and slashing dinghys it looks like .

 

 

I'd much rather see them doing this than ty-rapping flags to lamp posts and bullying pensioners.

[Sweep]

30 minutes ago, Cheese said:

 

I'd much rather see them doing this than ty-rapping flags to lamp posts and bullying pensioners.

Indeed, but I'd imagine the gangs won't be too happy, they'll end up murdering that bloke

[miamiwhite]

8 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Indeed, but I'd imagine the gangs won't be too happy, they'll end up murdering that bloke

Aye, already has his car bricked

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Aye, already has his car bricked

I think he’s been nicked as well.

[jmjhb]

Filming himself doing it, not exactly the sharpest tool in the box ffs