Sweep Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 13 hours ago, MancWanderer said: Their (and any other Pharma company) lab specs are so high it doesn’t surprise me at all. It transfers across the whole of the business. I know a couple of people who work at the huge GSK place in Stevenage, which is like it's own little enclosed town. They've said in the past that the amount of equipment that they go through is ridiculous. One of them had some sort of microscope in their lab, that was worth many thousands of pounds, it was never used and then got replaced within around 6 months. The money they pay there, even for menial jobs, is excellent as well......especially if you're a contractor. I wish I'd got into Pharma when I was younger.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Sweep said: I know a couple of people who work at the huge GSK place in Stevenage, which is like it's own little enclosed town. They've said in the past that the amount of equipment that they go through is ridiculous. One of them had some sort of microscope in their lab, that was worth many thousands of pounds, it was never used and then got replaced within around 6 months. The money they pay there, even for menial jobs, is excellent as well......especially if you're a contractor. I wish I'd got into Pharma when I was younger.... I think I'd have some personal questions working for any big pharma. But then I'm just reading DopeSick and another book about it, so I'm probably down a bit of a different rabbit hole. I've just got concerns about how market interests not medical need determine the research agenda. Hence the decent wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 6 hours ago, Not in Crawley said: I think I'd have some personal questions working for any big pharma. But then I'm just reading DopeSick and another book about it, so I'm probably down a bit of a different rabbit hole. I've just got concerns about how market interests not medical need determine the research agenda. Hence the decent wages. Bad Pharma by Ben Goldacre is a good read if you’re interested in that sort of thing Your concerns about market interests were wholly valid about 20 years ago and that’s not a snide dig btw. Shit sticks and the industry has struggled to shake that perception off. It happened. I was there right in the thick of it. It’s wholly different now. Gene therapy, disease-modifying agents, orphan drugs - it’s a different world. Good salaries are paid to attract the best in their field and to retain staff. The 90s/00s hire and fire days are well gone. It’s all about specialisation now and the drive to be first in market in unmet medical needs rather than riding the market with copycat drugs I’ve pointed a few folk the Pharma way in comms, HR, research, engineering, IT, etc. My nephew subcontracts his company to our production facility. He did his apprenticeship at Stanlow with Shell rather than do a degree and has coined it ever since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, MancWanderer said: Bad Pharma by Ben Goldacre is a good read if you’re interested in that sort of thing Your concerns about market interests were wholly valid about 20 years ago and that’s not a snide dig btw. Shit sticks and the industry has struggled to shake that perception off. It happened. I was there right in the thick of it. It’s wholly different now. Gene therapy, disease-modifying agents, orphan drugs - it’s a different world. Good salaries are paid to attract the best in their field and to retain staff. The 90s/00s hire and fire days are well gone. It’s all about specialisation now and the drive to be first in market in unmet medical needs rather than riding the market with copycat drugs I’ve pointed a few folk the Pharma way in comms, HR, research, engineering, IT, etc. My nephew subcontracts his company to our production facility. He did his apprenticeship at Stanlow with Shell rather than do a degree and has coined it ever since Oh no, fair enough. I know very little about it, watched the dopesick programme and thought it'd be good to learn a bit more about it. Thanks for the recommendation, put it on the amazon list for Xmas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Oh no, fair enough. I know very little about it, watched the dopesick programme and thought it'd be good to learn a bit more about it. Thanks for the recommendation, put it on the amazon list for Xmas! Crime of The Century documentary is a good watch I’d recommend for you then if you’ve not already seen it. The OxyContin scandal. Horrific and very shaming of the industry at that time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 21 minutes ago, MancWanderer said: Crime of The Century documentary is a good watch I’d recommend for you then if you’ve not already seen it. The OxyContin scandal. Horrific and very shaming of the industry at that time Yes, watched that. Fascinating stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambridgeBWFC Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 12 hours ago, MancWanderer said: Bad Pharma by Ben Goldacre is a good read if you’re interested in that sort of thing Your concerns about market interests were wholly valid about 20 years ago and that’s not a snide dig btw. Shit sticks and the industry has struggled to shake that perception off. It happened. I was there right in the thick of it. It’s wholly different now. Gene therapy, disease-modifying agents, orphan drugs - it’s a different world. Good salaries are paid to attract the best in their field and to retain staff. The 90s/00s hire and fire days are well gone. It’s all about specialisation now and the drive to be first in market in unmet medical needs rather than riding the market with copycat drugs I’ve pointed a few folk the Pharma way in comms, HR, research, engineering, IT, etc. My nephew subcontracts his company to our production facility. He did his apprenticeship at Stanlow with Shell rather than do a degree and has coined it ever since 'Pharma' covers a very broad range of companies, you have companies which invest and focus on R&D in specific disease areas like AZ and GSK in the UK, others who pursue generics and are less invested in the R&D, those who will do R&D but with less focus and who potentially are dictated more by market interests than genuine health concerns. It has changed massively over the years and yes some decisions were driven by market interests rather than medical need, but also due to the wrong scientific beliefs and the quest for the 'golden bullet', the genome revolution changed a lot of that approach and also some of the other scandals like Oxycontin but that was a very different beast. There have also been issues with having the wrong people at the top setting the strategy and making decisions, those without scientific understanding who are purely chasing profits and looking to drive R&D costs down. Some incredibly innovative and life changing therapies and treatments are being delivered at the moment, with a much stronger focus on personalised health care. Will be interesting to see how this continues, especially as I believe there will be some changes in the US around patent length and exclusivity which may force different approaches. As much as the health care system in the US is screwed, the private payer system has likely underwritten a lot of the R&D innovation over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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