madthatter

Three Billboards . . . (very) Dark comedy but well worth a watch. Unusual by Hollywood standards

Aye remember making ethanol from Newcastle Brown back in school! It's why i asked before as I hear some of the first stuff off the stills can be lethal. Those Highland 'bootleggers' back in the day must have been very skilled.

I'll have a bash if any spaces? but if i don't get Germany, Spain, France or Brazil you can get t fook

Hippy crack To be fair, they've done that with loads of footballers. Jealous toffs shit stirring i'd imagine

Not for 50% of its population tee hee It's definitely a football town though - drive west across the border into the wilds and you see goal posts turn into weird tall things . . .

Fair enough I just think this whole issue of Muslim grooming gangs has and is being underplayed by the press, present case notwithstanding. I don't think that's a mental way of seeing it either but folk can disagree - no problem there.

No, I don't think it's that simple - never is Talk about it in these terms, don't make reference to this that or the other, use the religious/racial element as little as possible and preferably not front page emotive headlines etc - any of those, yeah, I'd bet money on it. Let me ask you a hypothetical - if EDL members were systematically raping, drugging and God knows what else under age Muslim girls up and down the country for well over a decade do you think we'd hear more or less? Be inclined to be less outraged or more?

One drama after a case so shocking it should be something everyone reflects on daily to ensure something like that doesn't happen again. Yet it continues Were it not for TR I wouldn't have heard about this case, would you? I don't see a conspiracy, Mick, more a determined effort from the top down to down play these events in the public eye. My question is why and is that a good idea?

Ta I know it's bloody hard work to get a commercial distilling licence and open a distillery. Helps if you know the right folk, apparently (and are willing to offer a few casks to a certain family)

Read much? The establishment. You know, the Gov, top media, law makers and enforcers and all those with vested interests who are able to influence I'm happy to be wrong but my reasoning only finds the outcome I outlined above. Whether they should or shouldn't be doing so is another question.

An old upload but I think many of the points DM makes are still relevant, especially to this current case. TR is a dick if he's put getting these sickos sentenced at any risk - but as I said above, I don't see anything other than good intentions (self-publicising or otherwise) I agree with Mounts in that I think the establishment are pro-actively putting mufflers on all of these cases. Yes, folk know about it but it surprises me just how little 'outrage' has come from the top down. Again, if certain roles were reversed . . . we all know how our media works and they generally create the national mood with the printing of a few choice headlines. I can only assume it's because they don't want it to turn into an excuse for racial/religious hatred on our streets, which is rather ironic.

Out of interest, when does home distilling become illegal? I mean do you need a licence or is it if you go over a certain amount of ltrs?

Yes - they're pretty much as similar as a Saxon was to a Jute. Before the Scandinavians bred with the native French they could well have been from what is now Denmark - so pretty much the same yeah Enjoy - I'm off annoying myself with a driver and putter that won't play ball . . .

Jesus fella! Context . . . they used their culture to rule but as that fell away and merged over the years it became, for want of a better word, Anglo Saxon. The Magna carta backs this up really. They weren't exactly poles apart to start with. For fun then - give me ten significant differences between Anglo-Saxon and Norman culture. I'll start you off with they built 'slightly' different same faith churches . . . oh and another - they like to write down laws that are very similar in statutory form to, guess who, the Anglo-Saxons. As for language - I'm pretty sure that the Angles, Saxons and Jutes all spoke in different tongues. the Normans spoke something like french - which, in it's early form, was a Gaelic/Latin hybrid. Not far off what all Anglo-Saxon languages are made up from. See where I'm going here?

And before that Africa Although I heard a rumour a while back saying that archaeologists have recently uncovered stuff that potentially turns our understanding of our origins on its head. Very intriguing!

Aye. That's where I'm at with this whole affair. He's also great entertainment

I quite like a bit of wet dog smell in some whiskys Sounds like good fun - I'm jealous!

I never said you did and now you're putting words in my mouth All i said was that the main culture was, and still is, Anglo-Saxon. I'd say that's still true today as well which was my point way back. I'm sure historians with much more clout than either of us two could debate that long into the night but from what I've read and see all around me I'm quite happy taking that view - you are of course free to differ.

And? I'd say modern day English is heavily influenced by the Germanic languages - more so than any other. Yes it contains many elements but compare the structure of it to German - they are very similar (more so than any Gaelic, French or Latin) I said they ruled, which is what the Magna Carta was all about - even restoring AS laws in some instances. We could split hairs day, even going as far as saying the Normans were another AS tribe (which isn't far off the truth). They did to British/English culture what the Chinese did to Tibet; they imposed one over the top of the other(s) but the day to day living carried on much as before. They didn't come across en masse and literally displace a group of people thereby removing the pre-existing culture outright.

Yes it is all about context and relevance and, no, I wouldn't give it a second thought personally; but when folk bash others or take offence at the use of such terms I find it a bit, nit picky, shall we say I'm happy to use the term white, black or whatever to describe someone but there are many who get offended if referred to as black as it isn't specific enough; they'll say I'm Creole, or Jamaican or whatever (just picked that as a random e.g.) and use it as a stick to beat folk with. Does my head in. No-one pulls up a Jap when they confuse a German with a Pole do they?

If the Norman culture really ousted the pockets of Anglo Saxon culture in England at that time we'd all be speaking French, not English They ruled, aye (still do some would say) but kept their culture very much to themselves; they just made everyone else their lackeys and built a few new churches

Good to hear stuff like this - our society needs more of it

Aye. I'm quite into all this stuff. There's a great book - The Tribes of Britain by David Miles - that charts all British people from the first known (who were swarthy/dark skinned) to the present day. DNA testing all across Europe shows similarities so I'd go as far as saying all N Europeans are of similar stock. End of the day Celt, saxon, Jute or whatever they were all separate tribes that have ultimately mixed together over 1000s of years. What's interesting in Britain is that there are similarities in DNA going way back to Roman times and it still shows regional variations as the link shows i.e more Celtic genes in the SW, NW, Eire, Wales and Scotland - which would make sense looking at how folk moved and settled. I would argue though that our (English/British) culture is still heavily influenced by Anglo Saxon culture and there are still clear signs of that today; same for America, Australia, Germany and so on. Yes, there is diversity but look at our social set up and compare that with traditional Celtic cultures, Asian and then Anglo-Saxon. We are clearly more like the latter in most all aspects.

Excellent stuff! What are you (your mate) using for the mash and are you gonna stick it in wood after or just go full on white dog in jam jars stacked in the shed? Always wondered how they separate the hearts from the feints. I mean they must have a way of testing it nowadays but back in the day . . .

I think we're on the same page Frank, in the main, but don't see how using the phrase Anglo-Saxon culture when referring to white British girls in a non-white context is to anyone's detriment. Unless they were Irish?