August 26, 20241 yr He batted well above his average An inspiration And seemingly a good, well-liked man to boot RIP
August 26, 20241 yr Apart from an impresive shagging rcord he was just what England needed. A change from the like for like suits we'd had before.
August 26, 20241 yr I liked him, but let’s be honest he was a disaster for England. Although I’d take into account all the players from different clubs not getting on. RIP Sven. Edited August 26, 20241 yr by Alf Hartigan Spelling
August 26, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said: I liked him, but let’s be honest he was a disaster for England. Definitely no Southgate If the players didnt get on, thats on him to sort
August 26, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Casino said: Definitely no Southgate If the players didnt get on, thats on him to sort He should definitely have won something with that group he had.
August 26, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said: He should definitely have won something with that group he had. They were never the best squad in any tournament he managed
August 26, 20241 yr He had better players than Southgate has had. But GS achieved far more. We’ve still won fuck all though. Edited August 26, 20241 yr by Alf Hartigan
August 26, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: They were never the best squad in any tournament he managed Quite probable But last 8 mustve been a bare minimum?
August 26, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, Casino said: Quite probable But last 8 mustve been a bare minimum? I think for a country like England tournament progression mostly depends on how the draw pans out
August 26, 20241 yr 25 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said: He had better players than Southgate has had. But GS achieved far more. We’ve still won fuck all though. Not sure I agree with that. One thing Southgate has done is manage to erase club loyalties from getting in the way. Sven didn't have the advantage of looking after the u21s first though, and I doubt he'd have been given the time to do that, and bring players through from it before clubs could build a wall around their own.
August 26, 20241 yr Hard to forgive that friendly against Australia at Upton Park. Years of grief from that. Seemed a very nice bloke though. RIP.
August 27, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Alf Hartigan said: I think that generation around 2002 far exceeds what we’ve got now Agreed. Certainly the first 11 anyway. Sven was hampered by club rivalries. Man Utd and Arsenal clearly fucking hated each other back then and he never really got on top of that. Plus there's Chelsea and the Scousers (Terry and Gerrard axis). You have to conquer the rivalries otherwise you're fucked at international level. Aragones and then Del Bosque did it with Spain and the big two and won 3 tournaments in a row.
August 27, 20241 yr I had the pleasure of meeting him back in the early 2000s when I worked at the Lowry Hotel in Manchester, he seemed like a really nice bloke.
August 27, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, Alf Hartigan said: I think that generation around 2002 far exceeds what we’ve got now Each to their own, but we've got and had some truly top lads now. Kane past his best, but the leading England goalscorer has been a huge asset for example. For me, some of the previous greats were just that for club, but weren't consistent at international level. Be that becasue of club rivalries or not quite as good as they were made out, who knows.
August 27, 20241 yr I think he always came across quite well, but let's not pretend he was a good England manager, he was shit
August 27, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: They were never the best squad in any tournament he managed He had to manage a bunch of absolute Tossers.
August 27, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, Sweep said: I think he always came across quite well, but let's not pretend he was a good England manager, he was shit 3 Q-F’s wasn’t shit. May only be be looked back now with our recent final appearances as shite but it wasn’t then.
August 27, 20241 yr Rip Sven Always came across like a decent bloke and super calm. Shame that generation of England players were a gaggle of absolute whoppers
August 27, 20241 yr 15 minutes ago, tomski said: 3 Q-F’s wasn’t shit. May only be be looked back now with our recent final appearances as shite but it wasn’t then. the players he had at the time, we should have done so, so much better - I know the players were utter tossers, but that was down to him to manage. In the grand scheme of things though, you're probably right, as a QF team is pretty much the level that England should be at, I just thought back then, we could/should have won something, as I think the players he had were better than what Southgate has had (of course, he's won fuck all as well)
August 27, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Sweep said: the players he had at the time, we should have done so, so much better - I know the players were utter tossers, but that was down to him to manage. In the grand scheme of things though, you're probably right, as a QF team is pretty much the level that England should be at, I just thought back then, we could/should have won something, as I think the players he had were better than what Southgate has had (of course, he's won fuck all as well) People say this but look at the matches he lost. Plus, I don't think the 'Golden Generation' were as good as what we've had for the last few years. This is with the caveat that I can't stand either Gerrard or Lampard, or Terry or Ferdinand etc. Didn't even watch that match we lost to Germany, just wasn't bothered about that team at all.
August 27, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said: People say this but look at the matches he lost. Plus, I don't think the 'Golden Generation' were as good as what we've had for the last few years. This is with the caveat that I can't stand either Gerrard or Lampard, or Terry or Ferdinand etc. Didn't even watch that match we lost to Germany, just wasn't bothered about that team at all. Cole, Terry, Rio, Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham and Scholes were near enough the best players in the world in their positions. They just didn't gel as a team. Can't think of one player in our current first 11 that gets in that team on an individual basis. Kyle Walker and Kane the only possible candidates for me.
RIP to Sven Goran Eriksson, good manager, good bloke, liked his shagging