It's happening isn't it.

Russia pushing the boundaries in Poland and Estonia. 

Surely the cyber attacks on European airports is down to them.

Its all gonna go off isn't it.

Putin is just testing NATO, Russia have always flown aircraft close but they are getting bolder for sure.

Militarily they are a million miles behind NATO but they have nukes and that's the only reason they haven't had their arses handed to them in Ukraine.

The bigger issue is China IMO and their spreading influence globally.

Edited September 20, 2025Sep 20 by Winchester White

27 minutes ago, gonzo said:

It's happening isn't it.

Russia pushing the boundaries in Poland and Estonia. 

Surely the cyber attacks on European airports is down to them.

Its all gonna go off isn't it.

No

Probably not but there is a chance if someone really oversteps the mark.

It will come eventually - just down to population and resources reasons. Hitler used the word 'lebensraum'. Looks like Putin is a fan of the word.

Don't think we have anything to worry about in the immediate future other than posturing of this type

 

 

Some good drills, but they sound awful.

7 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Putin is just testing NATO, Russia have always flown aircraft close but they are getting bolder for sure.

Militarily they are a million miles behind NATO but they have nukes and that's the only reason they haven't had their arses handed to them in Ukraine.

The bigger issue is China IMO and their spreading influence globally.

Agree with all of that

China is a worry. I think they are more likely to go for Taiwan than Putin to start properly against NATO

31 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Agree with all of that

China is a worry. I think they are more likely to go for Taiwan than Putin to start properly against NATO

Trump has prevented an amount of aid scheduled to go to Taiwan. 

From what I understand, it's not all of it, just some.

 

9 hours ago, gonzo said:

It's happening isn't it.

Russia pushing the boundaries in Poland and Estonia. 

Surely the cyber attacks on European airports is down to them.

Its all gonna go off isn't it.

You will be safe 

By the see 

We in down town Bolton will be fucked

The see

☺️☺️

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Trump has prevented an amount of aid scheduled to go to Taiwan. 

From what I understand, it's not all of it, just some.

 

Worrying?

1 hour ago, little whitt said:

You will be safe 

By the see 

We in down town Bolton will be fucked

If global warming carries on we're gonna be under water

11 minutes ago, gonzo said:

If global warming carries on we're gonna be under water

Little whitt is always under water at the weekend 😉 

13 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Probably not but there is a chance if someone really oversteps the mark.

It will come eventually - just down to population and resources reasons. Hitler used the word 'lebensraum'. Looks like Putin is a fan of the word.

Don't think we have anything to worry about in the immediate future other than posturing of this type

 

 

How much living space does Putin need ffs?

4 hours ago, mickbrown said:

How much living space does Putin need ffs?

A fair question. Enough to have valuable mineral resources beneath it.

On 20/09/2025 at 10:12, gonzo said:

It's happening isn't it.

Russia pushing the boundaries in Poland and Estonia. 

Surely the cyber attacks on European airports is down to them.

Its all gonna go off isn't it.

I think you're right to be concerned, if everyone went along thinking it will never happen, the probability of it actually happening increases.

Both previous world wars occurred after periods of international tension, increased nationalism and big increases in military spending. Both conflicts were started by relatively minor terrorist incidents, a shooting in Sarajevo and a bombing in a Polish railway station, neither of which merited all out war but acted as catalysts... we must be on our guard and try to learn from history.

Looks to me that the Russians are attempting to stretch the Nato eastern border resources so less is concentrated in the Ukraine region for whatever reason, Putin knows the US is reluctant to fully commit while there are Russian sympathisers in the Nato camp in the form of Slovakia, Hungary and Turkey.

As I said earlier we need to tread very carefully...

There’s plenty of folk who think Putin has a point.

At the risk of my record being stuck, the older he gets the more dangerous he becomes. He wants the USSR back, and if he feels time is getting short he will throw any caution to the wind.

I would t want to be in the Baltic states for the next year or two.

I'll bet everyone in here a reach round that we will be in some form of proper conflict this time next year.

Its this Coallitiin of the Willing that frightens me the most, too similar to the Ango Polish Alliance which finally dragged us into WW2.

Signing up to agreements in a war threatened Eastern Europe is very risky.

 

15 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I'll bet everyone in here a reach round that we will be in some form of proper conflict this time next year.

China goes for Taiwan at the same time as Russia goes for a couple de grace in Ukraine... Whoosh!

Hopefully just fantasising. I wonder what the Pentagon war gamers are planning?

China won't make a move for Taiwan as long as the US relies on Taiwan for semiconductors 

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

I'll bet everyone in here a reach round that we will be in some form of proper conflict this time next year.

Yep

We’ll have boots on the ground in or around Estonia.

And this won’t be like taking easy potshots at ragheads in Toyota pickups either. Russia have actual weapons, and fucking oodles of men.

 

12 minutes ago, Spider said:

Yep

We’ll have boots on the ground in or around Estonia.

Eastern Europe is the world's political cesspit and was the root and main location of both world wars. 

Like effing numpties we'll sign up to everything and all it will take is one single bombing or shooting act by a nationalistic hot head from the periphery...just like before.

Eventually, Russian incursions into nato airspace will end with a Russian jet being shot down.

Thatll be it then.

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

Eventually, Russian incursions into nato airspace will end with a Russian jet being shot down.

Thatll be it then.

Happened once in Turkey but things weren't as on edge then, Turkey were/are closet Russian allies.

The real biggie would be if a Nato aircraft was downed in disputed airspace

Does nobody else think it's a bloody disgrace in this day and age we still have to count our world wars in Roman numerals?

I thought Labour were supposed to sort out shit like this.

Bloody ii tier counting systems if you ask me.