Kemi Badenoch doesn’t really need to speak in public more than once a month and she’ll do ok. In that respect, keeping her head down is proving very effective.

Sniping from the sidelines and criticising everyone clearly has merit. 🙃

9 hours ago, Zico said:

there's always a post

https://www.wanderersways.com/forum/topic/92337-meanwhile-in-israel/page/467/#comment-2719782

https://www.wanderersways.com/forum/topic/92337-meanwhile-in-israel/page/399/#comment-2696843

https://www.wanderersways.com/forum/topic/92337-meanwhile-in-israel/page/303/#comment-2625395

#ignore

20 hours ago, Zico said:

there's always a post

https://www.wanderersways.com/forum/topic/92337-meanwhile-in-israel/page/467/#comment-2719782

https://www.wanderersways.com/forum/topic/92337-meanwhile-in-israel/page/399/#comment-2696843

https://www.wanderersways.com/forum/topic/92337-meanwhile-in-israel/page/303/#comment-2625395

Thousands of em. I like those three. Cheers.

19 hours ago, Sweep said:

Fishing trips them....

I don't resile from any of of them smart arse.

15 hours ago, Sweep said:

Most of them who would vote for him just think it's a witch-hunt, by the establishment. They're too fucking thick to realise he is the establishment.....and he really doesn't give the slightest fuck about them

I fink u r wroung.

I find the last video quite funny if you watch it to the end - it is a US 'take' on what is happening (it isn't quite factual but let that go) and how they try to understand our sense of humour.

Lord Buckethead endorses Count Binface.

24 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

Lord Buckethead endorses Count Binface.

😂

From the Daily Mail before anybody moans at the source. Big Nige's opinion ratings have taken a bit of a nose dive of late.

Although Reform still remain highest in the voting intentions.

7 minutes ago, kent_white said:

From the Daily Mail before anybody moans at the source. Big Nige's opinion ratings have taken a bit of a nose dive of late.

Don't know if any one noticed but the chart above shows 'Leader (net) approval ratings' and every one of the political leaders shown are at ZERO or below!

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

😂

Can you imagine shit like this in North Korea, Russia, China and other countries led by dictators, there would be executions all over the place. IMO

Stuff like this makes me laugh...

The opinion seems to be written by Danirl Hannon.

Who is he I hear you ask.

Well only one of the founders of Vote Leave

Former MEP

in 2009, and became the first Secretary-General of its attached Euro-party, AECR, subsequently ACRE.^[21]

While he was Secretary-General, ACRE attracted criticism over spending of EU funds to promote events of limited relevance or benefit to the EU. On 10 December 2018, European parliament senior leaders ordered ACRE to repay €535,609 (£484,367) of EU funds adjudged to have been spent on inappropriate events, including €250,000 spent on a three-day event at a luxury beach resort in Miami and €90,000 spent on a trade "summit" at a five-star hotel on the shores of Lake Victoria in Kampala.

Along with Douglas Carswell, (Former UKIP MP for Clacton Hannan and Vote Leave founder) is credited with being "part of the hard core who kept the flame of Tory Euroscepticism burning – and tirelessly promoted their own positive, internationalist case for Britain's exit from the EU in parallel to Farage's negative, isolationist one."

In December 2024 it was announced he would be made a life peer after a nomination by Prime Minister Boris Johnson

Daniel Hannan - Wikipedia

6 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

Can you imagine shit like this in North Korea, Russia, China and other countries led by dictators, there would be executions all over the place. IMO

They murder genuine contenders never mind joke ones.

Russia

Russia killed opposition leader Alexei Navalny using toxin from dart frog, UK says - BBC News

China

Hu Jintao: ex-president escorted out of China party congress - BBC News

North Korea

Kim Jong-nam killing: Footage shows airport 'attack' - BBC News

Although Reform still remain highest in the voting intentions.

15 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

Can you imagine shit like this in North Korea, Russia, China and other countries led by dictators, there would be executions all over the place. IMO

Yeah I can't imagine it would go down to well. We should cherish what we've got. And our sense of humour I reckon!

22 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

Stuff like this makes me laugh...

The opinion seems to be written by Danirl Hannon.

Who is he I hear you ask.

Well only one of the founders of Vote Leave

Former MEP

in 2009, and became the first Secretary-General of its attached Euro-party, AECR, subsequently ACRE.^[21]

While he was Secretary-General, ACRE attracted criticism over spending of EU funds to promote events of limited relevance or benefit to the EU. On 10 December 2018, European parliament senior leaders ordered ACRE to repay €535,609 (£484,367) of EU funds adjudged to have been spent on inappropriate events, including €250,000 spent on a three-day event at a luxury beach resort in Miami and €90,000 spent on a trade "summit" at a five-star hotel on the shores of Lake Victoria in Kampala.

Along with Douglas Carswell, (Former UKIP MP for Clacton Hannan and Vote Leave founder) is credited with being "part of the hard core who kept the flame of Tory Euroscepticism burning – and tirelessly promoted their own positive, internationalist case for Britain's exit from the EU in parallel to Farage's negative, isolationist one."

In December 2024 it was announced he would be made a life peer after a nomination by Prime Minister Boris Johnson

Daniel Hannan - Wikipedia

Dan Hannan is the worlds wrongest man. Nothing he states ever comes true and yet he is completely commited to everything he says. Of course Boris put him in the Lords, probably for services to economic stupidity.

He is a posh version of Bolty , our own forums wrongest man on almost every subject. 😁

Just a few miles from Clacton is a place called Weeley

I can't think of a better place for Count Binface to launch his campaign from

Kinell

2 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Dan Hannan is the worlds wrongest man. Nothing he states ever comes true and yet he is completely commited to everything he says. Of course Boris put him in the Lords, probably for services to economic stupidity.

He is a posh version of Bolty , our own forums wrongest man on almost every subject. 😁

I don't really get interested in politics that much because it is all about power rather than morality, that's why we end up with the likes of Trump, Liz Truss and Jeremy Corbyn to name just three examples but the Farage v Binface appeals to my humour.

I was taught many years ago that there are just two rules in politics (read politics as 'power'_, the first being do and say whatever you have to, in order to get elected, the second rule is to say and do whatever you have to, to stay elected (remain in power).

The rules apply both at the individual level and at the collective level,

Win power - keep power.

Having a public service background I've met and worked under both Tory and Labour administrations and met many decent councillors and MP's but when push comes to shove they will do whatever it takes for them to get elected and once elected whatever it takes to stay elected.

All this Labour bad, Tory good, or Tory bad, Labour good is quite frankly childish - both do somethings good, both get somethings completely wrong - but they both do what they do because they believe there is votes in it for them. None of them will vote to do the right thing if it means them losing their seat - you only have to look at the Republican party under Trump - you are not telling me that decent Republican lawmakers truly believe in all the craziness of Trump but none will ever vote against him other wise they get crushed like Thomas Massie just has been.

3 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

I don't really get interested in politics that much because it is all about power rather than morality, that's why we end up with the likes of Trump, Liz Truss and Jeremy Corbyn to name just three examples but the Farage v Binface appeals to my humour.

I was taught many years ago that there are just two rules in politics (read politics as 'power'_, the first being do and say whatever you have to, in order to get elected, the second rule is to say and do whatever you have to, to stay elected (remain in power).

The rules apply both at the individual level and at the collective level,

Win power - keep power.

Having a public service background I've met and worked under both Tory and Labour administrations and met many decent councillors and MP's but when push comes to shove they will do whatever it takes for them to get elected and once elected whatever it takes to stay elected.

All this Labour bad, Tory good, or Tory bad, Labour good is quite frankly childish - both do somethings good, both get somethings completely wrong - but they both do what they do because they believe there is votes in it for them. None of them will vote to do the right thing if it means them losing their seat - you only have to look at the Republican party under Trump - you are not telling me that decent Republican lawmakers truly believe in all the craziness of Trump but none will ever vote against him other wise they get crushed like Thomas Massie just has been.

I completely agree but there are some who are in politics for a genuine belief they are there to try and improve the lives of their constituents and/or the country if they get into Government. Not nearly enough though imo.

Some excellent MPs were banished by Boris which was the final nail in the coffin of the Tory party after it was fatally wounded by Cameron's austerity and his inept Brexit referendum.

23 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I completely agree but there are some who are in politics for a genuine belief they are there to try and improve the lives of their constituents and/or the country if they get into Government. Not nearly enough though imo.

Some excellent MPs were banished by Boris which was the final nail in the coffin of the Tory party after it was fatally wounded by Cameron's austerity and his inept Brexit referendum.

I've seen far too many good people vote the party line rather than face the consequence if they don't (deselected by their own constituency party if they do, funding schemes in their constituency being cut, no junior Minister post for them under the current leader, etc, etc) and stick to their values.

It is always about power not what is best for the people who voted for them, indeed the country (look at Starmer's recent defence budget that was so underfunded it caused the most Labour of all Labour MP's to resign as Defence Minister) - it was seen by Starmer the less of many evils in order for him not to cut budgets elsewhere, become even less unpopular with his Ministers and survive another day as leader - in the end it was probably the very thing that brought him down.

Many people do get into politics for the right reasons - but that's simply because they don't understand how politics actually works...

34 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

I've seen far too many good people vote the party line rather than face the consequence if they don't (deselected by their own constituency party if they do, funding schemes in their constituency being cut, no junior Minister post for them under the current leader, etc, etc) and stick to their values.

It is always about power not what is best for the people who voted for them, indeed the country (look at Starmer's recent defence budget that was so underfunded it caused the most Labour of all Labour MP's to resign as Defence Minister) - it was seen by Starmer the less of many evils in order for him not to cut budgets elsewhere, become even less unpopular with his Ministers and survive another day as leader - in the end it was probably the very thing that brought him down.

Many people do get into politics for the right reasons - but that's simply because they don't understand how politics actually works...

I agree and also disagree.

Yes some go in a little green and end up towing the party line but that's inevitable in many walks of life, especially politics.

I just don't agree with the way some (not saying you btw) just say all politicians are the same, they clearly aren't. People like Jess Phillips and Hannah Spencer are not the same as Jacob Rees Mogg or Boris Johnson.

Decent past Tories had something about them, sadly missing for a good while.

21 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I agree and also disagree.

Yes some go in a little green and end up towing the party line but that's inevitable in many walks of life, especially politics.

I just don't agree with the way some (not saying you btw) just say all politicians are the same, they clearly aren't. People like Jess Phillips and Hannah Spencer are not the same as Jacob Rees Mogg or Boris Johnson.

Decent past Tories had something about them, sadly missing for a good while.

It is a bit of an impossible conundrum to my way of looking at things.

You enter politics to do something that matters to you, say it is something like installing a school crossing to keep your kids safe, you try writing letters to the local council, contact your councillor, MP. local press and eventually you succeed.

You then think if you got yourself elected you would have some power yourself to do the same for all the schools in your area - so you get yourself elected to do good things but because you stand as an independent you simply have no power and get voted down at every Council meeting.

What do you do to achieve your aim of loads of school crossings?

Maybe you align yourself with the political party in power and agree to vote for them in return for them funding more school crossings.

But you them find yourself voting for something you don't really believe in (or against something you do) so perhaps you abstain but the party you aligned to doesn't get the vote it wants, and no longer can find the funding that you know is really there for your crossings?

So maybe you think you will become part of the ruling group and rise up the ranks, so you have the power to do what you set out to do but again you have to vote the party line (and that means national polices as well.) as local issues.

Using Starmer as my example now, (because I like to think he's a good man at heart) he served under Corbyn and voted for Labour polices under Corbyn but dropped them like a red hot poker as soon as he succeeded him, so even he had to play the long game to get to the point where he had the power to change things as to how we would want to do but even them he could not do so without having the whole of the party behind him and had to make all the U-turns he did to stave off all the potential rebellions and potential leadership challenges.

Phillips and Spenser are idealist but have no power, never will have.

You need to have a ruthless streak to succeed in politics (as I keep saying read that as power_

Greasy pole, dog eat dog sort of thing, you have to play the game, Starmer standing by Corbyn even though he clearly would rather of not. should have given something back to the lefties in the Labour party to keep them sweet (should have scrapped the 2 child benefit cap at the beginning rather than be forced into the U-turn he had to make later on).

Boris acted the clown, people voted for him because they liked him Mogg was a loony like Fabricant and Dorries - Boris only became PM because he was least worse voting for than Corbyn.

I never knowingly met a corrupt councillor/politician in my whole career, so I'm not suggesting they are all bad, just that the innocents and naives get chewed up and spat out in real life and just end up as voting fodder until they quit or lose their seat.

You had to know how to become all things to all people to get what you are after (school crossings outside all the schools in your ward/constituency) - is how I've seen elected members get things done.

18 minutes ago, kent_white said: