Site Supporter HomerJay Posted October 24, 2006 Site Supporter Share Posted October 24, 2006 now i dont know the exact figure but i always thought the general idea was that season gate receipts covered the wage bill. so would you lot prefer to a) pay higher ticket prices for better players or pay lower prices for lesser players just wondering like, i know i for one am enjoying watchin anelka, diouf, campo speed and jussi and have enjoyed in the past watching youri, okocha, & bruno. and i know for a fact that if the club charged ??20 instead of ??35 we would not be watching these players and we would not be 3rd in the league and we wouldnt have been on a european tour and i wouldnt be suprised if we were back in division 1... so as far as i can see, if we need to pay higher price (which are still lower than 80% of the prem clubs) to see bwfc succeed then so be it... i appreciate it is expensive, especially if you have to pay for kids too, but surely people can see this is not a entirely bolton issue, its an FA issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) now i dont know the exact figure but i always thought the general idea was that season gate receipts covered the wage bill. so would you lot prefer to a) pay higher ticket prices for better players or pay lower prices for lesser players just wondering like, i know i for one am enjoying watchin anelka, diouf, campo speed and jussi and have enjoyed in the past watching youri, okocha, & bruno. and i know for a fact that if the club charged ??20 instead of ??35 we would not be watching these players and we would not be 3rd in the league and we wouldnt have been on a european tour and i wouldnt be suprised if we were back in division 1... so as far as i can see, if we need to pay higher price (which are still lower than 80% of the prem clubs) to see bwfc succeed then so be it... i appreciate it is expensive, especially if you have to pay for kids too, but surely people can see this is not a entirely bolton issue, its an FA issue. I think gate money only covers 20% to 40% of the wage bill of most PL clubs these days. I do think that more clubs will start to experiment after seeing Blackburns success. I've said it before but i'll say it again...a salary cap is the answer. Players dont need more than ??9k per week or ??500,000 per year. If that was top wack then clubs could charge a blanket ??5 per game, the grounds would be full and we would probably see more English players involved. Edited October 24, 2006 by Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted October 24, 2006 Author Site Supporter Share Posted October 24, 2006 suppose the main problem with wage caps is players will go elsewhere and our game will suffer (or will it?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 I've said it before but i'll say it again...a salary cap is the answer. Players dont need more than ??9k per week or ??500,000 per year. If that was top wack then clubs could charge a blanket ??5 per game, the grounds would be full and we would probably see more English players involved. I hate it when people say players don't need anymore than "X" amount per year, who has the right to say what a person does or doesn't need to earn per year. At the end of the day it's a free market, the players only earn what the clubs are willing to pay them, putting any sort of cap on their potential earnings is ridiculous, and unfair on the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 suppose the main problem with wage caps is players will go elsewhere and our game will suffer (or will it?) Don't think it will Homer. A few weeks ago I argued that winning was not everything in terms of entertainment and quality was important, however seeing how all bolton fans are so perky after Sunday has changed my view a little. There would still be winners, losers champions and teams relegated. The league would certainly be more competitive which in turn would generate more interest. The England may suffer or then again would it, if a manager like Sam or O'neill was in charge? I hate it when people say players don't need anymore than "X" amount per year, who has the right to say what a person does or doesn't need to earn per year. At the end of the day it's a free market, the players only earn what the clubs are willing to pay them, putting any sort of cap on their potential earnings is ridiculous, and unfair on the player. If you had the ability to play for bwfc are you telling me that you would turn up your nose at ??500,000 per year? give me that unfair any day! The fans who are beeing fleeced by players pocketing ??50k+ per week have the right to say it! and I just have!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted October 24, 2006 Author Site Supporter Share Posted October 24, 2006 If you had the ability to play for bwfc are you telling me that you would turn up your nose at ??500,000 per year? if livorno in italy offered me double that i would... not only will foreigners leave, all the decent english would too... the whole of english football would be of division 2 quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Whilst I agree that the majority of footballers earn incredible amounts of money, I am just trying to make the point that people who know nothing about their lives can't make rash statements such as "they don't need more than ??9K per week". I'm talking about the principle of the statement..............I'm sure you wouldn't be too happy if somebody told you that you didn't need to earn over a certain amount each week, just because it's what they thought.............especially as they would probably know nothing about you or your personal circumstances. People will always earn obscene amounts of money, just look at Film Stars, Musicians/Pop Stars, London City Workers & Chief Execs of large firms, many of these people earn hundreds of thousands per year, if not millions, should they have thier earnings capped as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbillspacked Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 the problem is simple..most players are not worth the money they are paid..just look at the standard of football {if you take the top three out}.its average at best..very little skill or technique.little excitment{take sundays game out of that}..just watch two mid table teams in the spanish league and compare!.charlton are paying 40 grand a week to jimmy floyd hasslebank. a player way past his sell by date, who if he returned to holland would only be on the quarter of the sallary he gets from charlton..ask yourself this you think arsene wenger would pay 7 million for james beattie! not on your life.and you no why beacause he wants players who can trap, pass, go past people. and he gets them at very little expense in comparison..weve been fed a lie by sky and the premier league that constantly tells us were the best league in the world..its time to wake up. we are getting fleeced by clubs who are paying to big a wages for players with little talent{oh except that they are six foot 4 and can boot a ball up a field}.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zozzy Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 the problem is simple..most players are not worth the money they are paid..just look at the standard of football {if you take the top three out}.its average at best..very little skill or technique.little excitment{take sundays game out of that}..just watch two mid table teams in the spanish league and compare!.charlton are paying 40 grand a week to jimmy floyd hasslebank. a player way past his sell by date, who if he returned to holland would only be on the quarter of the sallary he gets from charlton..ask yourself this you think arsene wenger would pay 7 million for james beattie! not on your life.and you no why beacause he wants players who can trap, pass, go past people. and he gets them at very little expense in comparison..weve been fed a lie by sky and the premier league that constantly tells us were the best league in the world..its time to wake up. we are getting fleeced by clubs who are paying to big a wages for players with little talent{oh except that they are six foot 4 and can boot a ball up a field}.. f??ck off Natasha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Problem you have is that other sports are paying silly money these days to their top stars. American football, baseball, ice hockey - these guys earn obscence amounts of money. I think it was Beckham who actually quoted this when he was slagged off. F1 drivers also get paid silly money. Regardless of the dangers, Damon Hill said its still only a sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbillspacked Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 f??ck off Natasha who the fcuk is this natasha!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 {if you take the top three out}.its average at best..very little skill or technique.little excitment{take Do arsenal not play good football then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zozzy Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 who the fcuk is this natasha!! After reading your posts I would say it is your clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbillspacked Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 After reading your posts I would say it is your clone. [/quote just a pissed off working class geezer mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombwfc Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 now i dont know the exact figure but i always thought the general idea was that season gate receipts covered the wage bill. so would you lot prefer to a) pay higher ticket prices for better players or pay lower prices for lesser players just wondering like, i know i for one am enjoying watchin anelka, diouf, campo speed and jussi and have enjoyed in the past watching youri, okocha, & bruno. and i know for a fact that if the club charged ??20 instead of ??35 we would not be watching these players and we would not be 3rd in the league and we wouldnt have been on a european tour and i wouldnt be suprised if we were back in division 1... so as far as i can see, if we need to pay higher price (which are still lower than 80% of the prem clubs) to see bwfc succeed then so be it... i appreciate it is expensive, especially if you have to pay for kids too, but surely people can see this is not a entirely bolton issue, its an FA issue. I can't be arsed doing the math. But it's no secret that attendances are down. So would charging ??20 and filling the place be better or near enough the same to charging ??30 and getting 20,000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Whilst I agree that the majority of footballers earn incredible amounts of money, I am just trying to make the point that people who know nothing about their lives can't make rash statements such as "they don't need more than ??9K per week". I'm talking about the principle of the statement..............I'm sure you wouldn't be too happy if somebody told you that you didn't need to earn over a certain amount each week, just because it's what they thought.............especially as they would probably know nothing about you or your personal circumstances. People will always earn obscene amounts of money, just look at Film Stars, Musicians/Pop Stars, London City Workers & Chief Execs of large firms, many of these people earn hundreds of thousands per year, if not millions, should they have thier earnings capped as well? I am a capitalist so I basically agree with your sentiments. However I dont think your comparisions with film stars, pop stars and F1 drivers works here. Those are individual professions and they do not participate in team sports in which the teams themselves are part of a controlling organisation. My view is that organisation has enough control to change the sport for the better and still reward the participants to a level that is way beyond that of the average citizen. Everyone wins. Why shun the idea for a matter of principle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 24, 2006 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) My view is that organisation has enough control to change the sport for the better and still reward the participants to a level that is way beyond that of the average citizen. Everyone wins. Why shun the idea for a matter of principle? So in what way is football different to F1? anyway, think we're mostly agreed that less money needs to be going to the players Not because they're overpaid, but because it's seemingly unsustainable for a club of our size sad really, but nowt i didn't know already Edited October 24, 2006 by Casino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted October 24, 2006 Author Site Supporter Share Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) the is a common conception that anybody can be a footballer, its a peice of piss. well BOLLOCKS being a pro at most sports takes a lot a fuckin dedication and self motivation, even in the lower leagues... i have know many lads with all the talent in the world to be pro footballers and only a couple have made it. why? because money and fame does strange things to people... if some club is throwing a grand a week at ya as teenager its very easy to be led astray... professional footballers deserve every penny they get imo... Edited October 24, 2006 by HomerJay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 I am a capitalist so I basically agree with your sentiments. However I dont think your comparisions with film stars, pop stars and F1 drivers works here. Those are individual professions and they do not participate in team sports in which the teams themselves are part of a controlling organisation. My view is that organisation has enough control to change the sport for the better and still reward the participants to a level that is way beyond that of the average citizen. Everyone wins. Why shun the idea for a matter of principle? I think the problem is that in order for it to really work, then it would have to be something that was adopted by FIFA, and not just by the Premier League. If we introduced any sort of salary cap, especially anything below c??20K per week, then I believe that we would see a major drain of the talent that is currently in this country. We would basically be left with players that were not wanted elsewhere...................we could even end up in a situation like the Scottish find themselves in, with p??ss poor players in a p??ss poor league and anybody of any talent would be snapped up to go and play in foreign leagues. I'm not even sure salary capping can ever work, as there are always ways around it. From what I can gather players where seeing a reduction in their wage offers a few years ago, until Mr Abrammovich stuck his rather expensive oar in and stirred it all up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 I blame Jimmy Hill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 footballers deserve every penny they get imo... At the end of the day it's all about "supply and demand" nobody forces clubs to sign these players. The players earn millions for their respective clubs, and as such are entitled to a cut of it I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shytalk Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Problem you have is that other sports are paying silly money these days to their top stars.American football, baseball, ice hockey - these guys earn obscence amounts of money. I think it was Beckham who actually quoted this when he was slagged off. F1 drivers also get paid silly money. Regardless of the dangers, Damon Hill said its still only a sport. The reason why 'Soccer' over here will never become big time. Put on as many high profile tournaments/matches to attract interest, but you will never change the fact that young talent is going to be attracted to big bucks. School sport direction/coaching will see to that. Take a fast winger and tell him he could earn far more as a wide receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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