watched a programme and it was about catalytic convertors in car engines

 

it is quite an invention this, it contains pure platinum which, when toxic exhaust gases come into contact with it, the platinum some how magically converts the gases to harmless water/oxygen/co2

 

this got me thinking, why on earth are we getting nailed so f?cking heavy on vehicle taxes if the emissions are harmless to the enviroment due to these convertors

 

discuss you lefty w?nkers

watched a programme and it was about catalytic convertors in car engines

 

it is quite an invention this, it contains pure platinum which, when toxic exhaust gases come into contact with it, the platinum some how magically converts the gases to harmless water/oxygen/co2

 

this got me thinking, why on earth are we getting nailed so f?cking heavy on vehicle taxes if the emissions are harmless to the enviroment due to these convertors

 

discuss you lefty w?nkers

watched a programme and it was about catalytic convertors in car engines

 

it is quite an invention this, it contains pure platinum which, when toxic exhaust gases come into contact with it, the platinum some how magically converts the gases to harmless water/oxygen/co2

 

this got me thinking, why on earth are we getting nailed so f?cking heavy on vehicle taxes if the emissions are harmless to the enviroment due to these convertors

 

discuss you lefty w?nkers

 

Thats the big emission, which isn't toxic in itself but large ammounts of it are claimed to cause the greenhouse effect and thus global warming/climate change. I myself am not overly onvinced on climate change, however a reduction on pumping various gases into the atmosphere can only be good.

 

all the other shite contained in petrol without the cats etc woluld be seriously nasty

watched a programme and it was about catalytic convertors in car engines

 

it is quite an invention this, it contains pure platinum which, when toxic exhaust gases come into contact with it, the platinum some how magically converts the gases to harmless water/oxygen/co2

 

this got me thinking, why on earth are we getting nailed so f?cking heavy on vehicle taxes if the emissions are harmless to the enviroment due to these convertors

 

discuss you lefty w?nkers

Because they hate us, pure & simple.

 

They hate us hard working aspirational folks, but need our money. Thieving basturds. I hope they get their just desserts next time.

 

That 10% shite is funny, but guess who'll end up paying? Yup, sitting ducks again.

When we were in Munich, I went to the BMW HQ near the Olympic Stadium and they've got cars there that will run on water. In other words: free to run and no emissions.

 

Will it ever be mass-produced? Not a chance: the oil companies won't stand for it.

 

Secondly, whilst on the subject of taxation/fuel etc: the Office of fair trading fined JDSport, JJB, ManU, Chelsea and Umbro over price fixing of replica kits: why are they not prosecuting BP, Esso, Shell and Texaco for exactly the same thing.

 

Thirdly: tax on fuel should be a set figure per litre, not a %age, whereby the tax raised is permanently increasing.

Thirdly: tax on fuel should be a set figure per litre, not a %age, whereby the tax raised is permanently increasing.

Would effectively lead to a drop as inflation continues. We'd be fooked if we didn't get wage rises as a percentage.

Agree though it's too high.

Would effectively lead to a drop as inflation continues. We'd be fooked if we didn't get wage rises as a percentage.

Agree though it's too high.

I disagree.

 

6 months ago diesel was 94p a litre, and the govt were receiving x pence per litre as their %age.

Now its ?1.18 a litre: the govt are still receiving the x pence as before but are also receiving a cut of the price rise.

In other words: fuel has gone up by 25% in 6 months: so has the tax on the fuel.

 

If fuel hadn't gone up, the country would still have managed on the 2007 amount of tax raised, they don't need the extra: give it back.

Secondly, whilst on the subject of taxation/fuel etc: the Office of fair trading fined JDSport, JJB, ManU, Chelsea and Umbro over price fixing of replica kits: why are they not prosecuting BP, Esso, Shell and Texaco for exactly the same thing.

 

If any ne needs to be looked at, its should be the government that are taking about 69.9% tax out of the price of fuel (as of 2005)

 

as of 2007 the price of 95.1p, 63.7p goes in tax now that is what should be looked at

 

1995 54p a litre 39.4p tax

1996 55.8 p a litre 42.9 tax

2000 76.2p a litre 58.6 tax

2005 91p a litre 60.6p tax

Edited April 22, 200818 yr by tyldesley_white

I disagree.

 

6 months ago diesel was 94p a litre, and the govt were receiving x pence per litre as their %age.

Now its ?1.18 a litre: the govt are still receiving the x pence as before but are also receiving a cut of the price rise.

In other words: fuel has gone up by 25% in 6 months: so has the tax on the fuel.

 

If fuel hadn't gone up, the country would still have managed on the 2007 amount of tax raised, they don't need the extra: give it back.

spot on. plus this green/global warming is a load of crap. someone says "oh but look at Bangladesh the sea is flooding it cos the ice is melting" yeh ? well tough sh*t Bangladesh, ice has been melting for millions of years, you shouldn't have built your country so close to the Beach. global warming my arse

If any ne needs to be looked at, its should be the government that are taking about 69.9% tax out of the price of fuel (as of 2005)

 

as of 2007 the price of 95.1p, 63.7p goes in tax now that is what should be looked at

 

1995 54p a litre 39.4p tax

1996 55.8 p a litre 42.9 tax

2000 76.2p a litre 58.6 tax

2005 91p a litre 60.6p tax

 

So they're taking 82p a litre now in tax, when they were managing quite nicely with 60p 3 yrs ago?

 

They should give the 22p back and drop fuel to 96p a litre.

So they're taking 82p a litre now in tax, when they were managing quite nicely with 60p 3 yrs ago?

 

They should give the 22p back and drop fuel to 96p a litre.

 

Could not agree more, but it will never happend

And another thing about tax:

 

I apologise if this has been mentioned already, but this government are trying to scrap the 10p tax bracket. Currently there is a 10% income tax applied to the first ?2250 earned above the personal allowance. This 10% is being scrapped and we'll be taxed at 22% in future.

 

12% of ?2250 is another ?270 a year of tax, another fiver a week we're worse off.

And another thing about tax:

 

I apologise if this has been mentioned already, but this government are trying to scrap the 10p tax bracket. Currently there is a 10% income tax applied to the first ?2250 earned above the personal allowance. This 10% is being scrapped and we'll be taxed at 22% in future.

 

12% of ?2250 is another ?270 a year of tax, another fiver a week we're worse off.

 

Again you are correct

Crawley White is conspicuous by his absence on this thread.

 

I work hard, earn a good butty but find I'm giving about 60% of it back in income tax, fuel tax and being alive tax.

 

I accept tax, it's life, but what we pay at the minute is simply unacceptable.

If you pay fuel tax, it means you use a vehicle. Assuming you're legal and have it insured: you also pay a ridiculous Insurance Premium tax too.

 

how many more hidden or not so hidden taxes do we pay?

Crawley White is conspicuous by his absence on this thread.

 

I work hard, earn a good butty but find I'm giving about 60% of it back in income tax, fuel tax and being alive tax.

 

I accept tax, it's life, but what we pay at the minute is simply unacceptable.

 

And is one on the things that made me leave the UK,

The impact of stealth taxation is borne out by the statistics, which show that, although rates of tax have reduced, the government expects to increase its overall tax take year upon year. It has been reported that the Tories collected ?99.1 billion in income tax in their last year in power, and that this year Gordon Brown expects to collect ?145 billion. This represents a 45 per cent increase in the income tax take, which is due to the impact of more people now being subject to higher-rate tax and more cash being raised by stealth taxes.

 

Here are just some of the stealth taxes that have been implemented - or that we know will be implemented - in the future.

 

* The gradual reduction of the value - and now the complete removal - of the married couple?s allowance for couples aged under age 65.

 

* The gradual reduction - and now complete removal of mortgage interest tax relief at source (MIRAS).

 

* The removal of the age-related married couple?s allowance, where neither of the married couple were aged at least 65 on 5 April 2000.

 

* The removal of the ability of pension funds to recover the tax credit on UK dividend income ? which works like compound interest in reverse - meaning that pension contributions will need to be increased to provide the same level of benefits.

 

* The inability for non-taxpayers to recover the 10 per cent tax credit on UK share dividends.

 

* The reduction in the level of tax-free savings that can be made each year. Under PEPs/TESSA it was ?12,000,(?9,000 for PEPs and ?3,000 for the first year of a TESSA). Under the ISA it is ?7,000.

 

* The failure of the higher-rate tax threshold to increase at the same rate as earnings. Since 1988, this threshold has increased by just 52 per cent to ?29,400 while average earnings have increased by 84 per cent. Since 1997, approximately 200,000 more people have to pay tax at the top rate.

 

* The failure of the nil-rate inheritance tax band to increase by the rate of inflation. This means more inheritance tax will become payable - especially on the death of property owners.

 

* The inability for PEPs and ISAs to recover the tax credit on UK dividends after 5 April 2004.

 

 

I've voted Labour ever since getting the vote in 1987, not next time though: I can't afford to keep them in power.

When we were in Munich, I went to the BMW HQ near the Olympic Stadium and they've got cars there that will run on water. In other words: free to run and no emissions.

 

Will it ever be mass-produced? Not a chance: the oil companies won't stand for it.

 

 

The problem with these cars you talk of is that they are fooking expensive to build and they need a lot of hydrogen to run. Present methods of creating hydrogen cells use up so much energy (most of which is created by burning fossil fuels) that they are a hell of a lot worse for the environment than any car on the road. Oil companies are now investing hundreds of millions in research to provide renewable fuels and or technology for the future because they know oil won't last forever.

Somehow, I don't think it will make one iota of difference what we use to power our cars in the future, the government will still tax the shite out of us even if it ran off our own piss.

well tough sh*t Bangladesh, ice has been melting for millions of years, you shouldn't have built your country so close to the Beach.

"Somehow, I don't think it will make one iota of difference what we use to power our cars in the future, the government will still tax the shite out of us even if it ran off our own piss."

 

Spot on statement.

haven't they dropped basic rate to 20%?

 

apologies if they aint but thought i heard they had

 

if so, it really is the most needy being hit (rathe than those earning a bit more)

 

interesting way for labour to act

 

 

nb higher rate tax is payable at 34/35 thou, not 29 as traf posted

 

labour are cnuts though

Edited April 22, 200818 yr by Casino

...Secondly, whilst on the subject of taxation/fuel etc: the Office of fair trading fined JDSport, JJB, ManU, Chelsea and Umbro over price fixing of replica kits: why are they not prosecuting BP, Esso, Shell and Texaco for exactly the same thing.

 

oil company profits in 2007

 

Shell: $27 BILLION

 

Esso: $40 BILLION

 

nice...

Edited April 22, 200818 yr by HomerJay

oil company profits in 2007

 

Shell: $27 BILLION

 

Esso: $40 BILLION

 

nice...

Is that net or gross

Is that net or gross

 

net profit clever cloggs, gross profits dont mean shit.

net profit clever cloggs, gross profits dont mean shit.

As oppsed to say HSBC profit for 2006 of 11.7bn , for doing what... no need to go look for oil, build rigs to get the oil out, build pipe lines to get the oil to a refiney which they have to build to process the crude.

 

Also if people think that petrol is expensive work out what a gallon of beer costs or a gallon of bottled water costs.

As oppsed to say HSBC profit for 2006 of 11.7bn , for doing what... no need to go look for oil, build rigs to get the oil out, build pipe lines to get the oil to a refiney which they have to build to process the crude.

 

Also if people think that petrol is expensive work out what a gallon of beer costs or a gallon of bottled water costs.

 

houston

 

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