bolty58 Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Not your problem then is it? I will draw a British pension matey. Paid all my dues for over two decades and employed 8 people for a few years. I will, therefore, express my opinion. Thank you.
mickbrown Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 I will draw a British pension matey. Paid all my dues for over two decades and employed 8 people for a few years. I will, therefore, express my opinion. Thank you. Express away - wouldn't have it any other way. How long you been out there? I got the impression you went out as a young 'un
bolty58 Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Express away - wouldn't have it any other way. How long you been out there? I got the impression you went out as a young 'un Emigrated in my mid 30's sir.
Whites man Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 Plain to see who off here would stand by their mates on the picket line and the scab bast@rds who would stab them in the back for a few extra quid.
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 My dad was a miner, worked down agecroft until 1970, used to do 12 hours shift 6 or 7 days a week. He then started his own ice cream business and made a fortune in the last 6 years of his life. The union dogma is just the politics of envy. striking is just plain daft. however I do believe the mines will one day reopen.
agentorange Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 Go on then, i will take the bait. I came out on strike because i believed Scargill was right in his principles, it was not about the money, it was about the jobs. Thatcher knew if she could beat the miners it would mean the end of the unions. Notts miners got miles more money than the Yorkshire lot before the strike started due to individuel collective bargaining. So really the stage was set to put area against area before the strike kicked in. An overtime ban was in force 12 months before the dispute started, and Agecroft colliery was always badly effected with rope capping etc, so they kept getting sent home on Mondays on a reguler basis. So when the strike started, they crossed picket lines arguing about lost wages in the past. I think if Arthur would have called a ballot he would have got unity, but he argued why should one area vote on another areas job. Anyway the miners got beat, and the LOYAL Notts miners went up the road just the same. If i could turn back the clock 25 years, i would still do it all over again. BICKERSHAW COLLIERY 1877-1992. TOP MAN. My grandad was a Durham Miner at a time when the Union numbered 1,000,000 and working class solidarity meant something more than shaving your head and draping the Union Jack around yourself at international football matches that , truth be told, mean feck all.
agentorange Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 The country had to change, we were beholden to the Unions and their political aims. The country was on it's knees. Someone had to effect change. She was not perfect, she emphasised the divides the in the country, but she achieved worthy aims. The real problem was that she did not finish the job, by not taking on the public sector. This country should be grateful to her, forever, for showing the people an optimistic vision, rather than the promulgation of a dependency culture. Pity the country didn't have the courage to follow her. Blair and Brown have - hence the mess neo-liberal/Reaganomics have got us in now
Guest Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 Blair and Brown have - hence the mess neo-liberal/Reaganomics have got us in now Fraid not, Mr Orange. The problem has been that Brown is an unreconstructed Socialist. If it taxes and spends and borrows like a socialist, it might be a socialist. Blair was just a grinning cheshire cat.
Hutch Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 Watched a programme on BBC4 last week and it brought it all back I know we had a crew in the mid 80's but fcukin hell Miners v Plod was fierce The South Yorks Police wore badges that said 'The miners paid my mortgage off' they were raking that much in on OT Sad really when you look back, but whether it was good that the unions were crushed or not, Scargill was right about how important coal was to the nation and has been proved right since
Boby Brno Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 Plain to see who off here would stand by their mates on the picket line and the scab bast@rds who would stab them in the back for a few extra quid. I once crossed a picket line in a dispute that had nothing to do with me and had a screwdriver poked through my radiator by one of those picket line bast@rds!
agentorange Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 Fraid not, Mr Orange. The problem has been that Brown is an unreconstructed Socialist. If it taxes and spends and borrows like a socialist, it might be a socialist. Blair was just a grinning cheshire cat. Right. So it was "socialism" that led to an unregulated banking industry fecking each and every one of us over, an over inflated housing market, a rampant service sector completely self serving and a neglected and despised (by the powers that be and the Square Mile) manufacturing base.Oh and a country where until very recently the gap between rich and poor was widening. That Karl Marx fecker has a load to answer for
Guest Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 Right. So it was "socialism" that led to an unregulated banking industry fecking each and every one of us over, an over inflated housing market, a rampant service sector completely self serving and a neglected and despised (by the powers that be and the Square Mile) manufacturing base.Oh and a country where until very recently the gap between rich and poor was widening. That Karl Marx fecker has a load to answer for Well, yes. Brown created the tripartite regulation system that hasn't worked, letting the banks lend like topsy Which overheated the housing market Service sector, well yes, a self serving distorted public sector The manufacturing base was destroyed by businesses being unable to compete in a global economy, though not helped by the unions in the 70s, if you remember, and not helped by red tape The gap between rich + poor widened in the years from 1997, under Blair & Brown
agentorange Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 Well, yes. Brown created the tripartite regulation system that hasn't worked, letting the banks lend like topsy ( DEREGULATION IS HARDLY SOCIALISM IN PRACTICE Which overheated the housing market AT THE SAME TIME RUNNING DOWN STOCKS OF PUBLIC HOUSING Service sector, well yes, a self serving distorted public sector OH DEAR- WHICH PUBLIC SECTOR IS THAT? OH TRIVIAL STUFF LIKE EDUCATION AND HEALTH. AGREED LABOUR GOVERNMENT SPENDING ON THESE HASNT ALWAYS BEEN TO GOOD EFFECT BUT YOU COULD ARGUE AT LEAST THEY DIDNT RUN THESE SECTORS DOWN The manufacturing base was destroyed by businesses being unable to compete in a global economy, though not helped by the unions in the 70s, if you remember, and not helped by red tape. NOTHING TO DO WITH A COMPLETE LACK OF INTEREST IN MANUFACTURING BY EVERY GOVERNMENT SINCE THE LATE 60'S? The gap between rich + poor widened in the years from 1997, under Blair & Brown THINK YOU'LL FIND THE GAP WAS WIDENING BEFORE THAT BUT SORT OF PROVES MY POINT ABOUT BLAIRISM So we're agreed them. New Labour has and never had owt to do with socialism.
C86 Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 So we're agreed them. New Labour has and never had owt to do with socialism. Yes, NEW LABOUR = TORIES
Guest Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) Yes, NEW LABOUR = TORIES There, you see, you are still conned by the spin. Edited March 15, 2009 by boltondiver
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