Look if sky had its way it would be the big 4 and who ever they played, well a bit like it is now

 

I am thinking of getting rid of Sky. I have little or no interest in the games they play, the commentators are dross, and it badly needs a face lift (get fed up with the same old presentation format rolling like moving wall-paper). A lot I know feel that it's not worth the money in these diificult times.

I have to applaud Phil Gartside on his stance with him refusing some of the Uefa cup games on TV last year.

 

It would clearly have mean't an earlier kick off between 6pm and 7pm.

 

I work in Leeds and have to collect junior before I go to the match.It would have had mean't taking half a day's hols whereas I could finish normal time.I know a lot of people on here don't like PG foor one reason or another but I take my hat off to him for putting the fans first before any dosh.

 

 

Not being funny, BUT could you guarantee that the game would have been ko between 6 and 7pm? If on Five (which was rightly turned down) it would have meant a 530 ko (to accomodate Spurs at 730) but BBC (to be braodcast on BBC3 - a tv station that doesn't come on air until 7pm) or ITV (a 730 ko on ITV4) - why turned down.

 

Again if it was to get bum on seats at the reebok then yes it did do the trick but business wise it is a minus for TV companies - again it shows that the club can supposedly stand on its own without TV revenue (which would have been a lot more than what they actually gained in ticket revenue) and as such does a tv company want to be associated (whether by televising or other means) with a club that doesn't want cameras in its ground (whether it be UK based or for international rights - as that UEFA cup wasn't even sold to any overseas broadcaster and there were no highlights packages either) for a prime European match (doesn't matter who we played but any european match commands a more than decent television rights revenue).

 

Atletico Madrid attendance being 26163 (from BWFC site) - was that the game?

Ticket sales (guess at average price being GBP25) means a ticket revenue of GBP 654075 the merchandise sales of about (i.e. food, drinks) gbp10000 means a revenue of GBP 664,075.00. The average TV rights is in excess GBP800,000 for European games last season - taken from soccerlens.com. Also do not forget that Bolton just for normal PL games received 32million (and will be more this year for finishing 12th) - then look at it from a business point of view !!

 

Now did it make good business sense?

Not being funny, BUT could you guarantee that the game would have been ko between 6 and 7pm? If on Five (which was rightly turned down) it would have meant a 530 ko (to accomodate Spurs at 730) but BBC (to be braodcast on BBC3 - a tv station that doesn't come on air until 7pm) or ITV (a 730 ko on ITV4) - why turned down.

 

Again if it was to get bum on seats at the reebok then yes it did do the trick but business wise it is a minus for TV companies - again it shows that the club can supposedly stand on its own without TV revenue (which would have been a lot more than what they actually gained in ticket revenue) and as such does a tv company want to be associated (whether by televising or other means) with a club that doesn't want cameras in its ground (whether it be UK based or for international rights - as that UEFA cup wasn't even sold to any overseas broadcaster and there were no highlights packages either) for a prime European match (doesn't matter who we played but any european match commands a more than decent television rights revenue).

 

Atletico Madrid attendance being 26163 (from BWFC site) - was that the game?

Ticket sales (guess at average price being GBP25) means a ticket revenue of GBP 654075 the merchandise sales of about (i.e. food, drinks) gbp10000 means a revenue of GBP 664,075.00. The average TV rights is in excess GBP800,000 for European games last season - taken from soccerlens.com. Also do not forget that Bolton just for normal PL games received 32million (and will be more this year for finishing 12th) - then look at it from a business point of view !!

 

Now did it make good business sense?

 

 

You're that good at maths / facts / business that you should be on the Apprentice

 

Look you plum - the average for European games will surely include Champions League.

 

Not withstanding that, Eufa cup matches were negotiated solely by the home club on a match by match basis, so averages go out of the window. Spurs for instance, like it or not, with their fanbase would be able to attract a considerably larger TV rights fee.

 

on the other hand, the Atletico game was ( I think) 15 quid Non ST / 10 quid ST / kids for a quid.

 

Your wrongs don't make a right, they just make you even more wrong

The average TV rights is in excess GBP800,000 for European games last season - taken from soccerlens.com.

 

what a fcuking arse

 

our offer was in the tens of thousands

 

it was from 5 and as i posted above, spurs were on at 8

Edited April 17, 200917 yr by Casino

The game you refer to Cas, involved a 5.15pm kickoff and a ?25,000 fee for the rights.

 

The club were right to turn it down. Accepting it would have had loads of folk moaning.

To be honest it does not really help when the Chairman of the club, Philip Gartside, REFUSES television rights like he did last season for a couple of the UEFA games.

 

This in turn then lets the TV companies (Sky and Setanta more than anyone else) think that we do not really need the coverage or the money as we can refuse the rights. Therefore they will show less.

 

If anything, it is not about being a frashionable team but it is a results of actions the club has taken in recent history.

 

Anyway, there is always the net if one cannot make it to the games.

I can't believe what I am reading here. I am a supporter of Gartside and I can't understand why he is criticised so much. 'Dutch Whites' you seem to be complaining that the Chairman is putting the fans first before the business of making money for the Club ???

Most critics of football club Chairmen in general, complain that they are too interested in making money and generating sponsorship/corporate functions etc. at the expense of the common fan.

Your rant and obvious dislike of Mr.gartside is just highlighting how good a Chairman he is. He is a very astute businessman who has (with a little help from his friends) kept BWFC in the Premiership for many years against the odds. For him to refuse extra revenue for the Club to accommodate the fans and create a better atmosphere in the stadium should be admired.

Zozzy - The voice of reason!

 

Dutch White - The voice of . . . er, voice of, . . . mmm, him/herself!

what a fcuking arse

 

our offer was in the tens of thousands

 

it was from 5 and as i posted above, spurs were on at 8

 

 

How polite you are and didn't realise that your English vocabulalry was so rich with interesting words!!!

 

Fiest fo all read a previous post of mine which supplies information and access that both BBC and ITV also opted theior rights to negotiate for television rights.

 

Also, was it not a bad decision to not even have a highlightss package, which again would have brought some revenue in?

 

Have I disputed the fact that if it had gone to five it would have been a ko of 530 and that Phil was right in his indignation to reject that bid! - or is it a case that you are to sodden lazy to read emails and just love giving abuse to a fellow human being. How are you so special that you seem to be the king/queen of the forum and whatever you say, which is little, you ARE right 110% of the time!

 

Wake up and realise that your information could be wrong and that you could have been misled - take off those blinkers for Gods sake!

 

BTW do you have prrof that it was only 10's of 1000's of pounds? As I seem to recall (and I published my source as well - unlike the informative you) the average was in excess of GBP800,000.

 

If the ticket prices were GBP15 then the revenue from merchandising and tickets falls still further away from the average television rights of last year - thus Wanderers made even less than one first conjured up! - now if we take wages, utilities and other bills for that one match - now how much profit did Bolton actually make and how much could it have made!

 

Also correct me if I am wrong bus up until Phil refusing TV rights wasn't last season our BUSIEST season on TV with the number of homa and away games in all competition being televised. (well when I say all, I do mean after 1st rounds unless we were booted out by a team in the lower leagues)

 

One thing one has to remember that Champions League was a different entity to UEFA Cup as the rights for the CL was done through UEFA (just like The Premiership rights) and as such we have 2 TV hostss (ITV and Sky). Up until the end of this season UEFA is done on a club basis with various TV companies.

 

From Next season UEFA Cup will become EUROPA LEAGUE and the television rights will be based on the same system as Champions League (as instructed by the European Commission - link will follow once I have installed Adboe on new PC! - http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/25624.pdf ) and will have either sole or dual tv hosts for the games. This has already been decided and FIVE is the sole host of the EUROPA League from next season.

 

And for your information, I deal with Television Guarantees in the Bank I work for (an international Corporate Bank based in London, Brussels, Amsterdam, Cologne and Madrid) - hence why I am good with facts and figures with regards to these contracts!!! - and I do have a good understanding on how much a UEFA (not eufa) Cup match costs and for a fact Five has never offered less than GBP450,000 for a UEFA match (and that was for a City match this season - credit crunch must have been setting in - the last lowest price was GBP610,000 for a Scottish team - 2 seasons ago!)

Edited April 18, 200917 yr by DutchWhites

How polite you are and didn't realise that your English vocabulalry was so rich with interesting words!!!

 

Fiest fo all read a previous post of mine which supplies information and access that both BBC and ITV also opted theior rights to negotiate for television rights.

 

Also, was it not a bad decision to not even have a highlightss package, which again would have brought some revenue in?

 

Have I disputed the fact that if it had gone to five it would have been a ko of 530 and that Phil was right in his indignation to reject that bid! - or is it a case that you are to sodden lazy to read emails and just love giving abuse to a fellow human being. How are you so special that you seem to be the king/queen of the forum and whatever you say, which is little, you ARE right 110% of the time!

 

Wake up and realise that your information could be wrong and that you could have been misled - take off those blinkers for Gods sake!

 

BTW do you have prrof that it was only 10's of 1000's of pounds? As I seem to recall (and I published my source as well - unlike the informative you) the average was in excess of GBP800,000.

 

If the ticket prices were GBP15 then the revenue from merchandising and tickets falls still further away from the average television rights of last year - thus Wanderers made even less than one first conjured up! - now if we take wages, utilities and other bills for that one match - now how much profit did Bolton actually make and how much could it have made!

 

Also correct me if I am wrong bus up until Phil refusing TV rights wasn't last season our BUSIEST season on TV with the number of homa and away games in all competition being televised. (well when I say all, I do mean after 1st rounds unless we were booted out by a team in the lower leagues)

 

One thing one has to remember that Champions League was a different entity to UEFA Cup as the rights for the CL was done through UEFA (just like The Premiership rights) and as such we have 2 TV hostss (ITV and Sky). Up until the end of this season UEFA is done on a club basis with various TV companies.

 

From Next season UEFA Cup will become EUROPA LEAGUE and the television rights will be based on the same system as Champions League (as instructed by the European Commission - link will follow once I have installed Adboe on new PC! - http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/25624.pdf ) and will have either sole or dual tv hosts for the games. This has already been decided and FIVE is the sole host of the EUROPA League from next season.

 

And for your information, I deal with Television Guarantees in the Bank I work for (an international Corporate Bank based in London, Brussels, Amsterdam, Cologne and Madrid) - hence why I am good with facts and figures with regards to these contracts!!! - and I do have a good understanding on how much a UEFA (not eufa) Cup match costs and for a fact Five has never offered less than GBP450,000 for a UEFA match (and that was for a City match this season - credit crunch must have been setting in - the last lowest price was GBP610,000 for a Scottish team - 2 seasons ago!)

 

 

Next year has nothing to do with last year.

If i spent my life correcting all your mistakes, i'd ever get anything done myself

If you work for a bank as you state, I'm not suprised the world is in the mess it's in

Bye bye fantasist

Dutch Whites is definitely in the wrong place.

I do have a good understanding on how much a UEFA (not eufa) Cup match costs and for a fact Five has never offered less than GBP450,000 for a UEFA match (and that was for a City match this season - credit crunch must have been setting in - the last lowest price was GBP610,000 for a Scottish team - 2 seasons ago!)

 

i knew you were on a wind up before, but this bit takes the proverbial biscuit

 

absolute bullshit

 

back to the evening news site for you

When our overall share from the UEFA prize fund was 464,000 Euros (c. ?330,000) for the entire campaign, I find it hard to believe we'd have turned down an offer of ?450,000.

 

I think you added an extra zero.

And for your information, I deal with Television Guarantees in the Bank I work for (an international Corporate Bank based in London, Brussels, Amsterdam, Cologne and Madrid) - hence why I am good with facts and figures with regards to these contracts!!! - and I do have a good understanding on how much a UEFA (not eufa) Cup match costs and for a fact Five has never offered less than GBP450,000 for a UEFA match (and that was for a City match this season - credit crunch must have been setting in - the last lowest price was GBP610,000 for a Scottish team - 2 seasons ago!)

 

Didn't realise DLA piper employed retards.

Five has never offered less than GBP450,000 for a UEFA match (and that was for a City match this season - credit crunch must have been setting in - the last lowest price was GBP610,000 for a Scottish team - 2 seasons ago!)

that really is the biggerst load of crap I have ever read. If the TV offers where anywhere near ?500K+, we would have been on TV no questions asked. No way are Five in a position to be offering upwards of ?1M a time (for showing two PL teams) on a UEFA cup night

Have we not already got our quota of bollocks talking, know it all business tycoons?

Thanks Carlos, I assume you did mean me.

 

Anyway -

 

PHIL GARTSIDE has today revealed the reasons why Bolton Wanderers Football Club turned down two substantial television offers to broadcast Wanderers' UEFA Cup tie against Sporting Clube de Portugal on Thursday night.

 

The last 16 tie against the Portuguese giants had generated interest both among domestic and overseas broadcasters, but the Wanderers Chairman decided to put the Club's fans first to ensure as many supporters as possible could attend the game.

 

Mr Gartside said: "On what will be another memorable night in the Club's history, we want to make our fans the priority.

 

We therefore needed to ensure that the match would kick off at a convenient time for the majority of supporters.

 

"We had one offer, which would have required us to kick off at 7:00pm. This would have left many people struggling to arrive on time after work. Another broadcaster requested a kick off time of 8:45pm, which would have been too late for the many younger supporters we have attracted to the game."

 

The home-leg is heading for a sell-out, with fans taking advantage, once again, of the fantastic value for money tickets.

 

Gareth Moores, the Club's Commercial Director, added: "The game in the last round against Atletico Madrid at the Reebok Stadium was memorable, not only for the victory, but also the stunning atmosphere generated by a sell-out crowd.

 

"We wanted to ensure that we were able to put the supporters in a position where that atmosphere can be replicated against Sporting, and by kicking off at our traditional evening game time of 8:00pm, puts our fans in a good position to do just that."

 

With only a limited number of tickets remaining for the game, Club officials are urging supporters to buy their tickets in advance of the game to avoid potential disappointment.

 

Fans attending the game will also be able to show their support with a free scarf giveaway.

 

The Club has a limited number of scarves available, which will be given away on a first come first served basis for a selected period of time before the game. The scarves will be handed out on entry to the Reebok Stadium and the Club is advising anyone who wants the scarf to get to the ground in good time.

 

Tickets can be purchased from the Reebok stadium, over the phone (0871 871 2932), by fax (0871 871 8183) or for season ticket holders only (one per season ticket holder).....

 

http://www.bwfc.co.uk/page/General/0,,1004~1256668,00.html

 

 

In answer to Dutch Whites - TV companies will base their football coverage on what TV audience they expect to attract.

 

Commercial companies make their income from advertisements before the game kicks off, at half-time, and at full time - if they advertisers don't want to pay for their advertisements during Bolton games (where even our own fans are now being induced to go by reduced ticket price's), then the tv broadcasting companies would not make any money.

 

The BBC coverage strategy would be based on attracting viewers - with the aim of retaining them after the game. Once again I can't see many neutral fans being attracted to tune in to watch Bolton.

 

Bolton may have become more attractive to the TV companies if we have been involved directly in either the top or bottom of the league games - but although we have had a bad season - we have for large chunks of it been in mid table.

 

So the decision to screen Bolton games as nothing to do with us not wanting to be screened in last years UEFA Cup and everything to do that the majority of neutral football fans not wishing to switch on their TV's and watching us!

that really is the biggerst load of crap I have ever read. If the TV offers where anywhere near ?500K+, we would have been on TV no questions asked. No way are Five in a position to be offering upwards of ?1M a time (for showing two PL teams) on a UEFA cup night

 

and you base your answer on??????

 

so just one episode of coronation street does not cost approx gbp250,000 to make?

 

And on average one hour of TV drama, current affairs or clap-trap documentaries does not cost GBP1million to produce? (then wonder why gameshows and reality shows are on more often - because they are cheaper to produce then other genres!)

 

then put the cost of football there and hey presto - even trying to buy Bolton would actually be cheaper than making 1 hours of worth of drama or current affairs or clap-trap documentaries?

 

simples!

 

Sluffy thanks for the BN link - I was beginning to doubt myself over the start time of the match as I did not think that 530pm was ever mentioned to begin with!!

 

But of course urban myth always take priority over more than actual truths!

Corronation Street commands high eanings for the ads. Bolton on UEFA Cup Live doesn't!

Didn't realise DLA piper employed retards.

 

 

you talk about retards, but sinsce when has Dibb Lupton Allsop-Piper been an international corporate bank?

 

All I am saying is, careful about what you write as you could show yourself up even more than you trying to show someone else up!

 

good lcuk for next time and keep up with the training!

Corronation Street commands high eanings for the ads. Bolton on UEFA Cup Live doesn't!

 

Have you got the actual accounts there please for my perusal?

 

But as I said previously the UEFA game was to be on ITV4 on a Thursday (a night when Coronation Street is not on and ITV - across all its channels - has a very low ads earning income due to BBC schedules being more popular - where at the time Eastenders and Waterloo Road and the 9pm drama had far more viewers than ITV1 never mind the other ITV channels)

Commercial companies make their income from advertisements before the game kicks off, at half-time, and at full time - if they advertisers don't want to pay for their advertisements during Bolton games (where even our own fans are now being induced to go by reduced ticket price's), then the tv broadcasting companies would not make any money.

 

Also do not forget that the advertising slots are actually sold long before the advertisiers know who is actually playing the game. Advertsising slots are sold in each quarter of the year and its actaully not based on the slots but based on appearnace of adverts by the companies (although choice of the company commercial can be chosen a day before) and based upon daytime, early evening, primetime and night time (and ITV are only allowed to sell at most 12 minutes of commercial if any given hour of the day BUT can show upto 15 minutes worth of commercials during primetime!!) Hence the need for TV Bank Guarantees with advertisiers, producers and other 3rd parties such as football clubs.

 

Advertisers buy these "slots", as I said before, long before they know who are playing and as such the TV companies already have a guaranteed income whether they show football or not - but as you say the viewing figures do have an impact but that is shown in the folowing quarters of the years advertising for that same time slots as to whether the advertiser can trust the Tv company to show something popular or not! (in other words its all a gamble between the advertisiers and the tv companies.

Of course I haven't you wanker!

 

Why don't you try winning friends on The Wanderer?

Again, apologies if I seem to argue a fact here but....

 

The matches in question were shown at 730pm - is that an ungodly time to have a match? (apart from Russia and couple of FAR Eastern European countries what time do the UEFA - or from next season Europa League - matches get shown? between 730 and 8 KO's right or wrong?) - also UEFA matches mean either ITV or Five showing the match - would they want to interrupt their viewing pulling schedule (i.e. early evening soaps, gameshows etc - or in case of BBC3 doesn't start until 7pm!) - the part that brings more revenue in for the companies than the whole football match? How many UEFA cup games have either Sky or Setanta actually shown?

 

But lets see it from a Tv company point of view.... A club refuses to give rights to televise a match, what would you do in return? The club seems to be in a well position not to have the money, so give them the basic money (although number of matches will be less) and the club will be happy.(this can happen whether it be a PL game or European game due to the fact that the club refused its rights to at least one company - word of mouth type scenario). It is a fiscal/self advertising point of view with regards to the companies and nothing to do with what is in fashion or not.

 

That fatal decision by Phil made the TV companies decide that we are not worth televising as we do not need the coverage - clubs admission by refusing the rights.

Boring thread, but interesting that you are clearly a VIP in this field and ITK, as they say.

 

So, I think what are saying is that you have concrete knowledge that the club have disadvantaged themselves in dealings with TV companies?

 

I also expect that you have some solutions?

Of course I haven't you wanker!

 

Why don't you try winning friends on The Wanderer?

 

Colourful language, yet again, I see coming from people on this site.

 

You could have easily insulted me without the use of vulagrity, you know.

 

Vulgarity is the the bees knees of all arguments/debate.

 

Try it sometime and you will be surprised.

 

:-)

That is the key to winning friends is holding owns one poistion on their belief, good argumentation/debate with evidence and knowledge and most of all the none use of vulgar language.

I'd say the key to winning friends is not to be such a frightfully boring rotter and cad.

 

You, sir, are a bounder who, whilst undoubtedly being very knowledgeable on this subject, are making the thread lead towards tedium.

 

Is that better?

I'd say the key to winning friends is not to be such a frightfully boring rotter and cad.

 

You, sir, are a bounder who, whilst undoubtedly being very knowledgeable on this subject, are making the thread lead towards tedium.

 

Is that better?

 

 

Oh jolly good, that is far superior than the smut written before, old bean!