If we can get back half of what we paid for him, I would snap their hands off.

 

 

16 games without a goal I heard Gowling mention on Saturday. Those who keep saying he will come good, I can see his skills trying to get out, we have faith in him etc etc need to open their eyes.

 

The lad just isn't ever going to fit in at Bolton, he just doesn't fit. He has been given every opportunity this season and apart from a lttle run before Christmas, he has failed to even look like a Premiership forward.

 

I have been willing to accept that he has played his part from time to time this season but fcuk me Mr Nearlyman is getting worse every game he plays.

 

 

If we continue to play him as the lone striker next season we are in for another very long season.

Which game are you watching? One decent run forward, one shot on target, apart from that his usual anonymous game. Steinsson on the other hand who you fail to mention had an outstanding game in attack and defence. I would also put McCann's efforts and even Muamba's at higher than Elmander.

 

"even Muamba's"

 

Tell you what, he may be lacking in confidence on the ball, but Muamba always has a great workrate

 

I'd be asking which games you watch rather than the other way around?

russell, as an ex pro and a big critic of muambas lack of passing ability, how is it you can't bring yourself to praise elmanderrs 100% 'completion?

 

Believe it or not, I'm not having a go at him just for the sake of it. He had a better game than previous, but 3 Sundays I saw gave him no higher than 5/10 which also suggests he wasn't great. He doesnt hold the ball up, doesnt win much in the air and I'm not sure about those stats as I saw him pass it straight into touch.

 

I hope very much next season he grows in confidence. He's no spring chicken though and I just dont know if he will cut it, certainly not as lone target man.

"even Muamba's"

 

Tell you what, he may be lacking in confidence on the ball, but Muamba always has a great workrate

 

I'd be asking which games you watch rather than the other way around?

 

I was actually referring to his contribution to the game, not just workrate. Both players fall into the same bracket for me, decent work rates but largely ineffective on the ball. Did we pay ?15 mill for two players with work rate but no end product, because at the moment, thats what we,ve got and it's pointless pretending otherwise.

not a full picture i admit but elmander v davies

 

 

JE passing

17 attempted

17 completed

 

JE shooting

2 attempted

1 on target

 

JE tackling

5 attempted

2 successful

 

 

KD passing

17 attempted

12 completed

 

KD shooting

1 attempted

0 on target

 

KD tackling

12 attempted

7 successful

 

Who's saying Davies had a good game?!

I was actually referring to his contribution to the game, not just workrate. Both players fall into the same bracket for me, decent work rates but largely ineffective on the ball. Did we pay ?15 mill for two players with work rate but no end product, because at the moment, thats what we,ve got and it's pointless pretending otherwise.

 

In that case I mis-read your meaning of "efforts"

 

I'd argue that Muamba's end-product reached much more than what he doesn with the ball and he's largely in the team because of what he does without it - his weakness is without doubt his distribution but mark my words this is no donkey we're talking about - he has good feet, he just needs to work on his decision making IMO.

 

I think one of the issues with Muamba comes with him playing with McCann - they like to cover similar spaces - the same with Cohen when he starts with the middle.

 

Regarding Elmander - I agree, we need to see more end product, but he needs assisting in order to achieve that.

 

Next season is make or break for the pair of them IMO, as I don't see them going anywhere in the summer

Elmander says in todays paper that he must do better next season and be fitter, talk about stating the bleeding obvious. Not to worry Johan someone living in a remote island somewhere in the South Pacific thinks you have had a good season or was it the Channel Islands.

Elmander says in todays paper that he must do better next season and be fitter, talk about stating the bleeding obvious. Not to worry Johan someone living in a remote island somewhere in the South Pacific thinks you have had a good season or was it the Channel Islands.

 

I'm not going to defend Garrp's view, but facts is facts - he watches more football a week than you do a year. Channel Islands, Outer Hebrides, whatever.

Believe it or not, I'm not having a go at him just for the sake of it. He had a better game than previous, but 3 Sundays I saw gave him no higher than 5/10 which also suggests he wasn't great. He doesnt hold the ball up, doesnt win much in the air and I'm not sure about those stats as I saw him pass it straight into touch.

 

I hope very much next season he grows in confidence. He's no spring chicken though and I just dont know if he will cut it, certainly not as lone target man.

 

I can understand you questioning Elmander but dont bother quoting ratings in the papers they are a load of shit. FWIW I thought Elmander was ok but not brilliant, if he could play like that every week and add a few goals I would be happy with that though. I think he will get better next season, he certainly has it in him, he just needs to show it more and we need to help him by playing more to his strengths. If he gets 8-10 goals or more next season thats a very satisfactory effort imo.

In that case then you had better ring up ferguson and tell him that you have found his new chief scout.

 

 

 

I'm not going to defend Garrp's view, but facts is facts - he watches more football a week than you do a year. Channel Islands, Outer Hebrides, whatever.

I can understand you questioning Elmander but dont bother quoting ratings in the papers they are a load of shit. FWIW I thought Elmander was ok but not brilliant, if he could play like that every week and add a few goals I would be happy with that though. I think he will get better next season, he certainly has it in him, he just needs to show it more and we need to help him by playing more to his strengths. If he gets 8-10 goals or more next season thats a very satisfactory effort imo.

 

I did suggest it was only an indication he hadnt played great. I'm quite sure the first time one of the Sundays gives him 8 or better, quite a few will be on here cutting and pasting.

In that case then you had better ring up ferguson and tell him that you have found his new chief scout.

 

I'd imagine United have a global scouting network.

 

Whereas you seem to be implying that because someone is not sat in Breightmet then their opinion is somehow less valid. Genius.

Elmander says in todays paper that he must do better next season and be fitter, talk about stating the bleeding obvious. Not to worry Johan someone living in a remote island somewhere in the South Pacific thinks you have had a good season or was it the Channel Islands.

 

would you rather he was interviewed and say 'i've benn fecking ace this season me, i'm the mutts nuts!'

 

or would you rather he gave a realistic assesment of his season?

would you rather he was interviewed and say 'i've benn fecking ace this season me, i'm the mutts nuts!'

 

or would you rather he gave a realistic assesment of his season?

 

First season's are always tricky for new players as takes time to adjust to pace/team/league.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it now let's see how he does at the end of next season before we can base a proper opinion on the lad.

 

Remember matt taylor struggled last season and this season he's been flying

I'm not going to defend Garrp's view, but facts is facts - he watches more football a week than you do a year. Channel Islands, Outer Hebrides, whatever.

 

 

I refer you to the point made by ZicoKelly in post number 100 in this thread.

What I expected him to say is that " having arrived a seasoned international, and in my prime with a nice fat signing on fee and a lucrative contract, I intended to hit the ground full of running".

As I have said, he won't have to bust a gut next season to improve on this seasons showing, but it will probably be enough for the know nowts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

would you rather he was interviewed and say 'i've benn fecking ace this season me, i'm the mutts nuts!'

 

or would you rather he gave a realistic assesment of his season?

I refer you to the point made by ZicoKelly in post number 100 in this thread.

 

I was pointing out his location has no relevance.

 

Although congratulations for finally finding someone to side with you, despite the fact that logic or typing below the text they've quoted don't seem their strongest points. They probably didn't see your threads claiming Anelka and subsequently K. Davies weren't good enough.

I do hope you are going to stop typing above the posts you are quoting sometime soon. It makes no sense whatsoever.

 

What I expected him to say is that " having arrived a seasoned international, and in my prime with a nice fat signing on fee and a lucrative contract, I intended to hit the ground full of running".

As I have said, he won't have to bust a gut next season to improve on this seasons showing, but it will probably be enough for the know nowts.

Elmander has not had a good season. End of story. Lets hope he has a better one next year.

Well well, who'd av thowt, we do have something in common.

 

 

 

I do hope you are going to stop typing above the posts you are quoting sometime soon. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Well well, who'd av thowt, we do have something in common.

Another International Banker?

I was pointing out his location has no relevance - Don't think so Carlos - as the main point in your post was yet another reference to the great amount of football Garrp watches - implying that this makes his opinion on a player better than those who watch less football

 

Although congratulations for finally finding someone to side with you, despite the fact that logic or typing below the text they've quoted don't seem their strongest points. They probably didn't see your threads claiming Anelka and subsequently K. Davies weren't good enough.

 

I think you will find quite a few on this thread that question the contribution of our record signing this season and especially questioning those who think that Elamnder "has had a good season"

 

 

Come over to this side of the fence Carlos, the water is warm. It is possible to be a Bolton fan and through some mud every so often!

Edited May 19, 200917 yr by YATESY

What part of "I'm not going to defend Garrp's view" did you not understand?

Yatesy, Davies wouldn't haver been able to do what Elmander did in the build up to the goal.

 

but then you never rated Davies either

Yatesy, Davies wouldn't haver been able to do what Elmander did in the build up to the goal.

 

but then you never rated Davies either

 

This arguement gets dafter the more I read it. We know he's had a disappointing season, so does his manager and more importantly, so does Elmander himself.

 

He has to come good next season because I cant see Megson spending another club record to replace him.

Yatesy, Davies wouldn't haver been able to do what Elmander did in the build up to the goal.

 

but then you never rated Davies either

 

I give up I really do but at least we can now understand why you think Elmander "has had a good season" even if the player himself doesn't think so.

 

 

There again, you probably watch more football than Elmander