Casino Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 russell, as an ex pro and a big critic of muambas lack of passing ability, how is it you can't bring yourself to praise elmanderrs 100% 'completion?
jules_darby Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 Which game are you watching? One decent run forward, one shot on target, apart from that his usual anonymous game. Steinsson on the other hand who you fail to mention had an outstanding game in attack and defence. I would also put McCann's efforts and even Muamba's at higher than Elmander. "even Muamba's" Tell you what, he may be lacking in confidence on the ball, but Muamba always has a great workrate I'd be asking which games you watch rather than the other way around?
Russell Sprout Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 russell, as an ex pro and a big critic of muambas lack of passing ability, how is it you can't bring yourself to praise elmanderrs 100% 'completion? Believe it or not, I'm not having a go at him just for the sake of it. He had a better game than previous, but 3 Sundays I saw gave him no higher than 5/10 which also suggests he wasn't great. He doesnt hold the ball up, doesnt win much in the air and I'm not sure about those stats as I saw him pass it straight into touch. I hope very much next season he grows in confidence. He's no spring chicken though and I just dont know if he will cut it, certainly not as lone target man.
Russell Sprout Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 "even Muamba's" Tell you what, he may be lacking in confidence on the ball, but Muamba always has a great workrate I'd be asking which games you watch rather than the other way around? I was actually referring to his contribution to the game, not just workrate. Both players fall into the same bracket for me, decent work rates but largely ineffective on the ball. Did we pay ?15 mill for two players with work rate but no end product, because at the moment, thats what we,ve got and it's pointless pretending otherwise.
Gaz Nt Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 not a full picture i admit but elmander v davies JE passing 17 attempted 17 completed JE shooting 2 attempted 1 on target JE tackling 5 attempted 2 successful KD passing 17 attempted 12 completed KD shooting 1 attempted 0 on target KD tackling 12 attempted 7 successful Who's saying Davies had a good game?!
jules_darby Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 I was actually referring to his contribution to the game, not just workrate. Both players fall into the same bracket for me, decent work rates but largely ineffective on the ball. Did we pay ?15 mill for two players with work rate but no end product, because at the moment, thats what we,ve got and it's pointless pretending otherwise. In that case I mis-read your meaning of "efforts" I'd argue that Muamba's end-product reached much more than what he doesn with the ball and he's largely in the team because of what he does without it - his weakness is without doubt his distribution but mark my words this is no donkey we're talking about - he has good feet, he just needs to work on his decision making IMO. I think one of the issues with Muamba comes with him playing with McCann - they like to cover similar spaces - the same with Cohen when he starts with the middle. Regarding Elmander - I agree, we need to see more end product, but he needs assisting in order to achieve that. Next season is make or break for the pair of them IMO, as I don't see them going anywhere in the summer
Tank Murdock Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 Elmander says in todays paper that he must do better next season and be fitter, talk about stating the bleeding obvious. Not to worry Johan someone living in a remote island somewhere in the South Pacific thinks you have had a good season or was it the Channel Islands.
Carlos Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 Elmander says in todays paper that he must do better next season and be fitter, talk about stating the bleeding obvious. Not to worry Johan someone living in a remote island somewhere in the South Pacific thinks you have had a good season or was it the Channel Islands. I'm not going to defend Garrp's view, but facts is facts - he watches more football a week than you do a year. Channel Islands, Outer Hebrides, whatever.
tylswhite Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 Believe it or not, I'm not having a go at him just for the sake of it. He had a better game than previous, but 3 Sundays I saw gave him no higher than 5/10 which also suggests he wasn't great. He doesnt hold the ball up, doesnt win much in the air and I'm not sure about those stats as I saw him pass it straight into touch. I hope very much next season he grows in confidence. He's no spring chicken though and I just dont know if he will cut it, certainly not as lone target man. I can understand you questioning Elmander but dont bother quoting ratings in the papers they are a load of shit. FWIW I thought Elmander was ok but not brilliant, if he could play like that every week and add a few goals I would be happy with that though. I think he will get better next season, he certainly has it in him, he just needs to show it more and we need to help him by playing more to his strengths. If he gets 8-10 goals or more next season thats a very satisfactory effort imo.
Tank Murdock Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 In that case then you had better ring up ferguson and tell him that you have found his new chief scout. I'm not going to defend Garrp's view, but facts is facts - he watches more football a week than you do a year. Channel Islands, Outer Hebrides, whatever.
Russell Sprout Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 I can understand you questioning Elmander but dont bother quoting ratings in the papers they are a load of shit. FWIW I thought Elmander was ok but not brilliant, if he could play like that every week and add a few goals I would be happy with that though. I think he will get better next season, he certainly has it in him, he just needs to show it more and we need to help him by playing more to his strengths. If he gets 8-10 goals or more next season thats a very satisfactory effort imo. I did suggest it was only an indication he hadnt played great. I'm quite sure the first time one of the Sundays gives him 8 or better, quite a few will be on here cutting and pasting.
Carlos Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 In that case then you had better ring up ferguson and tell him that you have found his new chief scout. I'd imagine United have a global scouting network. Whereas you seem to be implying that because someone is not sat in Breightmet then their opinion is somehow less valid. Genius.
frank_spencer Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 Elmander says in todays paper that he must do better next season and be fitter, talk about stating the bleeding obvious. Not to worry Johan someone living in a remote island somewhere in the South Pacific thinks you have had a good season or was it the Channel Islands. would you rather he was interviewed and say 'i've benn fecking ace this season me, i'm the mutts nuts!' or would you rather he gave a realistic assesment of his season?
fruitbat69 Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 would you rather he was interviewed and say 'i've benn fecking ace this season me, i'm the mutts nuts!' or would you rather he gave a realistic assesment of his season? First season's are always tricky for new players as takes time to adjust to pace/team/league. I've said it before and I'll say it now let's see how he does at the end of next season before we can base a proper opinion on the lad. Remember matt taylor struggled last season and this season he's been flying
YATESY Posted May 19, 2009 Author Posted May 19, 2009 I'm not going to defend Garrp's view, but facts is facts - he watches more football a week than you do a year. Channel Islands, Outer Hebrides, whatever. I refer you to the point made by ZicoKelly in post number 100 in this thread.
Tank Murdock Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 What I expected him to say is that " having arrived a seasoned international, and in my prime with a nice fat signing on fee and a lucrative contract, I intended to hit the ground full of running". As I have said, he won't have to bust a gut next season to improve on this seasons showing, but it will probably be enough for the know nowts. would you rather he was interviewed and say 'i've benn fecking ace this season me, i'm the mutts nuts!' or would you rather he gave a realistic assesment of his season?
Carlos Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 I refer you to the point made by ZicoKelly in post number 100 in this thread. I was pointing out his location has no relevance. Although congratulations for finally finding someone to side with you, despite the fact that logic or typing below the text they've quoted don't seem their strongest points. They probably didn't see your threads claiming Anelka and subsequently K. Davies weren't good enough.
Carlos Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 I do hope you are going to stop typing above the posts you are quoting sometime soon. It makes no sense whatsoever. What I expected him to say is that " having arrived a seasoned international, and in my prime with a nice fat signing on fee and a lucrative contract, I intended to hit the ground full of running".As I have said, he won't have to bust a gut next season to improve on this seasons showing, but it will probably be enough for the know nowts.
Horwich Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 Elmander has not had a good season. End of story. Lets hope he has a better one next year.
Tank Murdock Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 Well well, who'd av thowt, we do have something in common. I do hope you are going to stop typing above the posts you are quoting sometime soon. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Guest Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 Well well, who'd av thowt, we do have something in common. Another International Banker?
YATESY Posted May 19, 2009 Author Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) I was pointing out his location has no relevance - Don't think so Carlos - as the main point in your post was yet another reference to the great amount of football Garrp watches - implying that this makes his opinion on a player better than those who watch less football Although congratulations for finally finding someone to side with you, despite the fact that logic or typing below the text they've quoted don't seem their strongest points. They probably didn't see your threads claiming Anelka and subsequently K. Davies weren't good enough. I think you will find quite a few on this thread that question the contribution of our record signing this season and especially questioning those who think that Elamnder "has had a good season" Come over to this side of the fence Carlos, the water is warm. It is possible to be a Bolton fan and through some mud every so often! Edited May 19, 2009 by YATESY
Carlos Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 What part of "I'm not going to defend Garrp's view" did you not understand?
Garrp Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 Yatesy, Davies wouldn't haver been able to do what Elmander did in the build up to the goal. but then you never rated Davies either
Russell Sprout Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 Yatesy, Davies wouldn't haver been able to do what Elmander did in the build up to the goal. but then you never rated Davies either This arguement gets dafter the more I read it. We know he's had a disappointing season, so does his manager and more importantly, so does Elmander himself. He has to come good next season because I cant see Megson spending another club record to replace him.
Recommended Posts