Why does coyle continue with megsons tactics of bringing everyone back for corners

Why does coyle continue with megsons tactics of bringing everyone back for corners

 

We've already got a thread on this and it was also Sam's (both of them) tactics too, but carry on

i dont think we shouldnt have anybody back.

 

let them cross the ball for a single attacker, then let jussi just catch it.

Most teams employ this tactic

went watching chorley last week,when the oposition team had a corner chorley had 2 men on the half way line i cant remember the last time i saw that at the reebok, it was good to see.

#1 - It has been discussed many a time

 

#2 - It's a negative tactic.

 

#3 - It's obvious the opposition will put men back to cover, unless they like having their goalkeeper in 1[+]-on-1 situations.

 

#4 - We clear the ball, it goes for a throw or a corner, [ii] it goes down the pitch to the opposition and we have to defend again.

 

#5 - [COUNTERING #4] - If Jussi catches/claims it and we have men forward, we then have a quick outlet/a quick counter opportunity, if Jussi catches/claims the ball and everyone's back, then he holds onto the ball until everyone moves out, which usually results in a punt down-field.

 

#6 - Putting a player or two or three near halfway will give us more variety, more attacking options, improves entertainment.

 

#7 - What's the difference between a full box with equal players against a box with more space with equal players. if it's just space, then why not trust Jussi, defence and height.

 

#8 - It's not like we never concede from corners.

 

#9 - Has a new corner tactic been attempted in training? in a practice match? if not then how do you know what's more valuable.

 

#10 - Petrov won't get caught, he might mess up, but if we have someone quick with him, we could cut back/pass it square, which could lead to a tap-in. I mention Petrov because defending isn't his strong-point, ok so he might be back to mark someone, but if he's forward then he's no need to mark anyone except get ready for the chance of a break.

 

#11 - It does sound simple in words, rather than in action, but the "if it's alright with Coyle, then it's alright for me" doesn't wash with me, because it is a negative tactic and there is no denying that if we did have players forward, then they're not going to be left alone, that would be suicidal defending and no team would take that risk.

i dont think we shouldnt have anybody back.

 

let them cross the ball for a single attacker, then let jussi just catch it.

 

There's the problem - sorry only joking Jussi.

 

Man City caused us problems when we had a corner wuith their three out. We had to bring four back to cover leaving their area less crowded and them able to organise their defence better.

#1 - It has been discussed many a time

 

#2 - It's a negative tactic.

 

#3 - It's obvious the opposition will put men back to cover, unless they like having their goalkeeper in 1[+]-on-1 situations.

 

#4 - We clear the ball, it goes for a throw or a corner, [ii] it goes down the pitch to the opposition and we have to defend again.

 

#5 - [COUNTERING #4] - If Jussi catches/claims it and we have men forward, we then have a quick outlet/a quick counter opportunity, if Jussi catches/claims the ball and everyone's back, then he holds onto the ball until everyone moves out, which usually results in a punt down-field.

 

#6 - Putting a player or two or three near halfway will give us more variety, more attacking options, improves entertainment.

 

#7 - What's the difference between a full box with equal players against a box with more space with equal players. if it's just space, then why not trust Jussi, defence and height.

 

#8 - It's not like we never concede from corners.

 

#9 - Has a new corner tactic been attempted in training? in a practice match? if not then how do you know what's more valuable.

 

#10 - Petrov won't get caught, he might mess up, but if we have someone quick with him, we could cut back/pass it square, which could lead to a tap-in. I mention Petrov because defending isn't his strong-point, ok so he might be back to mark someone, but if he's forward then he's no need to mark anyone except get ready for the chance of a break.

 

#11 - It does sound simple in words, rather than in action, but the "if it's alright with Coyle, then it's alright for me" doesn't wash with me, because it is a negative tactic and there is no denying that if we did have players forward, then they're not going to be left alone, that would be suicidal defending and no team would take that risk.

 

Point #8 answers all the other points

ok...

 

 

where do you draw the line, 1 up? 2 up? 3up?

 

coyle obviously does it for a reason, and its probably a reason far beyond the knowledge of most on here.

 

so "if it's alright with Coyle, then it's alright for me".

ok...

 

 

 

 

coyle obviously does it for a reason, and its probably a reason far beyond the knowledge of most on here.

 

 

 

Well it would have to be something major unknowable for your usual football fan.

 

3 up = 3 back, 2 if they're awesome

 

2 up - 2 back

 

1 up - 1 or 2 back, depending on player forward. i.e not gonna leave a slow defender back to mark pace.

Edited August 23, 201114 yr by Didledee

#2 - It's a negative tactic.

 

 

But the fact is we are defending a corner. Defensive tactics are being used, they tend to be negative. The more players stay back, the less chance there is of conceeding.

 

#7 - What's the difference between a full box with equal players against a box with more space with equal players. if it's just space, then why not trust Jussi, defence and height.

 

 

JUST space? That's the thing a striker loves more then anything. If a striker was to remain static, then yes let's trust Jussi, defence and height. But in reality they would make last second dashes all over the shop and lose their man. A packed box makes it difficult for them to do this. And does anyone seriously believe that if we left four up front and six in the box the opposition would only have six men in our area? No way, they would have two men more than us in the our box at least.

 

People seem to think that as there are only two or three opposition players covering an area of around 70 yards we should look at this as an opportunity to catch them on the break. Yes we should, but only once the ball is firmly in Jussi's gloves. If the rapid players in our team are doing their job correctly, as soon as the ball is caught they (Petrov, Eagles, Mavies) should be darting out. By the time Jussi looks up they will be 25 yeards up the pitch. But until that point, they need to stay back and help defend the corner.

#1 - It has been discussed many a time

 

#2 - It's a negative tactic.

 

#3 - It's obvious the opposition will put men back to cover, unless they like having their goalkeeper in 1[+]-on-1 situations.

 

#4 - We clear the ball, it goes for a throw or a corner, [ii] it goes down the pitch to the opposition and we have to defend again.

 

#5 - [COUNTERING #4] - If Jussi catches/claims it and we have men forward, we then have a quick outlet/a quick counter opportunity, if Jussi catches/claims the ball and everyone's back, then he holds onto the ball until everyone moves out, which usually results in a punt down-field.

 

#6 - Putting a player or two or three near halfway will give us more variety, more attacking options, improves entertainment.

 

#7 - What's the difference between a full box with equal players against a box with more space with equal players. if it's just space, then why not trust Jussi, defence and height.

 

#8 - It's not like we never concede from corners.

 

#9 - Has a new corner tactic been attempted in training? in a practice match? if not then how do you know what's more valuable.

 

#10 - Petrov won't get caught, he might mess up, but if we have someone quick with him, we could cut back/pass it square, which could lead to a tap-in. I mention Petrov because defending isn't his strong-point, ok so he might be back to mark someone, but if he's forward then he's no need to mark anyone except get ready for the chance of a break.

 

#11 - It does sound simple in words, rather than in action, but the "if it's alright with Coyle, then it's alright for me" doesn't wash with me, because it is a negative tactic and there is no denying that if we did have players forward, then they're not going to be left alone, that would be suicidal defending and no team would take that risk.

 

Fuck me. I'm sure Mr Coyle would jump at the chance to learn defensive tactics from some greasey little mummy's boy whose experience of the game is based on Champ Manager and Playstation.

 

You should email him and arrange a private lecture or something.

 

Didledee - the greatest manager Bolton never had.

Edited August 23, 201114 yr by Cheese

But the fact is we are defending a corner. Defensive tactics are being used, they tend to be negative. The more players stay back, the less chance there is of conceeding.

 

JUST space? That's the thing a striker loves more then anything. If a striker was to remain static, then yes let's trust Jussi, defence and height. But in reality they would make last second dashes all over the shop and lose their man. A packed box makes it difficult for them to do this. And does anyone seriously believe that if we left four up front and six in the box the opposition would only have six men in our area? No way, they would have two men more than us in the our box at least.

 

People seem to think that as there are only two or three opposition players covering an area of around 70 yards we should look at this as an opportunity to catch them on the break. Yes we should, but only once the ball is firmly in Jussi's gloves. If the rapid players in our team are doing their job correctly, as soon as the ball is caught they (Petrov, Eagles, Mavies) should be darting out. By the time Jussi looks up they will be 25 yeards up the pitch. But until that point, they need to stay back and help defend the corner.

Ahh but that's the arguable point; some Managers believe that isn't the case

 

Leaving 1-2 players forward can actually be a defensive move and nothing to do with attacking and that's what you've missed.

 

For example such player(s) greatly decrease the chance of the secondary / tertiary balls being played straight back into the danger area under no perssure

 

And then there's the issue of it being more difficult to mark, the more players there are around - this is hated by most defenders as attackers are more able to use screens

 

It's not black and white but about a coach / manager's preference

im surprised it's taken do long to raise it's head again.

 

How long until fans are shouting at coyle at every corner

Edited August 23, 201114 yr by HomerJay

Fuck me. I'm sure Mr Coyle would jump at the chance to learn defensive tactics from some greasey little mummy's boy whose experience of the game is based on Champ Manager and Playstation.

 

You should email him and arrange a private lecture or something.

 

Didledee - the greatest manager Bolton never had.

 

Calm down, you'll have a heart attack.

Why does coyle continue with megsons tactics of bringing everyone back for corners

 

 

I see no problem with this.

 

Next!

City were leaving 3 up top when we got corners on Sunday that I noticed. Forced us to keep 4 back. Sensible move!

I used to think it was a great idea to leave Ricketts or Gardner up front hugging the touchline about the halfway line when we were defending a corner. It led to some fantastic breakaway goals. But how often does any team defend a corner then break upfield and score ?

It's brilliant when it happens but it doesnt happen very often compared to how many corners a team has to defend per game. 1 maybe 2 goals a season per team ?

 

I dont think we do too bad with our tactics at defending corners.

 

I would however like to see us try the near post flick on when we have an attacking corner. We used to be very affective with them under Rioch using players like Paatalainen, Coyle, Walker and SJM. Im a bit surprised Coyle hasnt tried to use this in a few games...Cahill or Knight flicking on with SKD NRC etc looking to get on the end of them.