Well, do we keep the faith with the man or do we not?

 

Answers please...

things learnt from today..

 

Start Petrov on the right, and Gardener on the left, Gardener can track back and help out Robinson.. Better still start Gardener at Left Back

 

Zat Knight has to start, There are some Knight haters on here but after today its clearly not him whos the weak link.. he came on and played well, granted he was involved in their fifth goal. Steinsson was a joke with the first goal.. man marking Sturridge, then turning round to face the other way when the corner was took.. WTF ??

 

Pretty much every goal comes down our left side.. Surely Coyle has to see this..!!

 

Why.. why did Luiz get so much room !!!

 

Why take off Ngog and Gardener.. is there just me that doesnt get this (I know RG was tiring towards the end but KD was tired at half time).

 

Bogdan had a better second half than first half.. maybe very very nervous ??

 

I think there has been some major issues behind the scenes, all the players were huggy touchy before kick off, but trying to make them work as a team this way just wont work.

 

Hang on, 4 of the 5 goals came down robinsons side but even if he had a concrete wall in front of him (instead of petrov)it wouldnt have made a difference. The damage came when the Chelsea players in the centre mid nocked it wide right and past Robinson and he was done for pace! Nothing to do with Petrov today, Robbo is just shit.

Luiz got so much space because we played 451 but didn't actually know how to deal with the spare Centre half bombing forward.

 

Which was basically comical.

They could have played the Benny Hill tune all the way through the first half, to Coyle's selection and substitutions and SKD's MOM

Birch. To blame robbo full stop it just utter utter shite.

 

Yes he was terrible, but there are 10 other players on that pitch, none of which provided any protection against sturridges and bosongwa

 

Did you notice how Chelsea centre halves played today?

 

How does a single striker split a pair of defenders playing that far apart?

 

Its impossible.

 

No I don't know how you stop it, but at least I actually noticed what was happening.

 

All you have done is blame the east target yet again

Edited October 2, 201114 yr by HomerJay

I find it insane that Muamba was on the bench today. Gardner was anonymous for most of the game imo. All teams are bombing at Robinson because they know he is shite as fook. If Gardner is going to play it needs to be left back because Robinson is way out of his depth.

 

Ngog had some good touches today and looks decent if we can actually get the ball to him somewhere in the same postcode as the opposition goal.

Luiz got so much space because we played 451 but didn't actually know how to deal with the spare Centre half bombing forward.

 

Which was basically comical.

 

Defensivley against one of the best teams in eurpoe its Ngogs job as the one up front to hit him. SKD gets some stick but if he was the point man today then David Luiz is not getting away with half as much as he did. Ngog is good going forward but he needs to learn that he plays for Bolton now and he has a job to do defensivley.

Edited October 2, 201114 yr by birch-chorley

Did you notice how Chelsea centre halves played today?

 

How does a single striker split a pair of defenders playing that far apart?

 

Its impossible.

 

No I don't know how you stop it, but at least I actually noticed what was happening.

 

All you have done is blame the east target yet again

 

Cant blame the striker, all they did was pass it across one side then back and theres no way a striker can make that ground up.

Edited October 2, 201114 yr by tylswhite

Defensivley against one of the best teams in eurpoe its Ngogs job as the one up front to hit him. SKD gets some stick but if he was the point man today then David Luiz is not getting away with half as much as he did. Ngog is good going forward but he needs to learn that he plays for Bolton now and he has a job to do defensivley.

 

Ngog's job as the one up front to hit him? What both the centre halves?

Birch. To blame robbo full stop it just utter utter shite.

 

Yes he was terrible, but there are 10 other players on that pitch, none of which provided any protection against sturridges and bosongwa

 

Did you notice how Chelsea centre halves played today?

 

How does a single striker split a pair of defenders playing that far apart?

 

Its impossible.

 

No I don't know how you stop it, but at least I actually noticed what was happening.

 

All you have done is blame the east target yet again

 

Paraphrasing

 

 

We were out thought, again, today

 

Coyle doesn't seem to be a thinker, tactician or strategist

Edited October 2, 201114 yr by boltondiver

Cant blame the striker, all they did was pass it across one side then back and theres no way a striker can make that ground up.

 

IMO you are wrong pal, if the Chelsea centre half is running the ball 30 yards who should attack him?

 

If any midfielder / defender leaves there man to go at him then luiz will just slip the ball to the free man that they have just left. At the end of the day aginat Chelsea its Ngogs job to hit Luiz. If SKD was the lone striker the Luiz would have been clattered and he woauld have thought twice about taking the piss.

Ngog's job as the one up front to hit him? What both the centre halves?

 

ngog who was on a yellow card

 

for 'hitting' luiz

 

perhaps as well birch aint running the club

Edited October 2, 201114 yr by Casino

Ngog's job as the one up front to hit him? What both the centre halves?

 

How many times did jon terry walk the lenght of the field? Ngog should attack which ever centre half is walking the ball 50 yards up the pitch.

ngog who was on a yellow card

 

for 'hitting' luiz

 

perhaps as well birch aint running the club

 

Ok not hit him but put some pressure on him! is that alot to ask?

They could have played the Benny Hill tune all the way through the first half.

Paraphrasing

 

 

We were out thought, again, today

 

Coyle doesn't seem to be a thinker, tactician or strategist

 

Agree 100%

Ok not hit him but put some pressure on him! is that alot to ask?

 

did you not see how they played

 

centre backs 80 yards apart

 

the 2 of em and cech all capable of playing first time passes

 

as quick as ngog closed em down they moved the ball on

 

if he must 'blame' somebody, it probably has to be pratley

 

ngog cant close down 3 of em

thank you

 

its reassuring to know theres at least a couple of us can see it

 

his stats when 'he was shit' against norwich showed what he gives the team

 

ps are you shit hot at ping pong yet

 

There's a few more in my area, including me, with the two of you as well.

 

Though I'm also in the camp that we have far more players to worry about before we get on to Petrov as well. We'd barely create a chance without him.

ngog who was on a yellow card

 

for 'hitting' luiz

 

perhaps as well birch aint running the club

 

It was noticeable that when Chelsea had the ball deep at the back Terry and Luiz where in full back positions. When Terry had the ball Ngog tried to close down, Terry switched to the unmarked Luiz who then charged forward with no closing down. Can't see how that is the fault of our lone stiker ....

 

(maybe, just maybe these were tactics adopted by AVB because he knows we are not currently closing down)

Birch. To blame robbo full stop it just utter utter shite.

 

Yes he was terrible, but there are 10 other players on that pitch, none of which provided any protection against sturridges and bosongwa

 

Did you notice how Chelsea centre halves played today?

 

How does a single striker split a pair of defenders playing that far apart?

 

Its impossible.

 

No I don't know how you stop it, but at least I actually noticed what was happening.

 

All you have done is blame the east target yet again

 

In the firat half how many times did Chelsea attack down our right? None because they did there homework on our goals conceded, Everything came down the there right.

 

From where I was sat Boswinga didnt do much and that was the man Petrov was man marking when we defended. Most the goals came from deep centre over Robinsons shoulder, Boyata had to cover him leaving a massive hole in the middle. Simple as fuck! Robinson has gone from half decent to a bad pub player in 6 month and we couldnt have expected that. In hindsight I would have liked us to play 5-4-1 with 3 centre halves so when one is covering a full back you still have two in the middle to clear the trouble.

To be fair, playing like takes a lot of confidence in the defender not losing the ball.

 

Luiz was basically leaving ngog one on one with Terry.

 

If we did it and Cahill lost the ball with boyata on one with drogba, it would be schoolboy football.

did you not see how they played

 

centre backs 80 yards apart

the 2 of em and cech all capable of playing first time passes

 

as quick as ngog closed em down they moved the ball on

 

if he must 'blame' somebody, it probably has to be pratley

 

ngog cant close down 3 of em

 

80 yards is bullshit!

 

If you are asking a centre midfileder to close down a cetre half then who is picking up his man? We where crying out for 4-5-1 on here and now we are saying you need a centre half to close down a centre half.

 

We should have had 3 centre halves today, 5-4-1! (hindsight)

541, 451, 442

 

Not a clue which is best really

 

But I'm not paid to know.

 

I think we can all see there's lots wrong but none of us can really have any idea what the answer is. (as much as some believe they do)

 

My hopes are just pinned on winning against shitter teams

To be fair, playing like takes a lot of confidence in the defender not losing the ball.

 

Luiz was basically leaving ngog one on one with Terry.

 

If we did it and Cahill lost the ball with boyata on one with drogba, it would be schoolboy football.

 

What do we do then? 2 up front? We cant have it both ways, If you play one up front then he has to work like fuck defensivley

541, 451, 442

 

Not a clue which is best really

 

But I'm not paid to know.

 

I think we can all see there's lots wrong but none of us can really have any idea what the answer is. (as much as some believe they do)

 

My hopes are just pinned on winning against shitter teams

 

With shit full backs (WHICH WE HAVE) and hindsight then 5-4-1 is king, everyone else 442 for me so we have chance at scoring. 1 up front and we will struggle to score against shit.

Edited October 2, 201114 yr by birch-chorley

Robbo and Ricky are never Prem class now,we can see it,why not Coyle,not there fault its Coyle fault for playing them

fcuk me

 

nobody needs to do owt about terry and luiz til theyre 50 yards from our goal

 

if they want to dick around on the edge of their box, good luck to 'em

 

closing em down 15 yards from their own goal is the least of our worries