Coyle Out?

[Sluffy]

It?s worse than not knowing his best team in my opinion ? it?s not having even a basic plan that bothers me.

 

When the team was announced I simply could not figure out how we would play ? we had two left sided players ? Petrov and Gardner ? and nobody who could naturally play on the right.

 

We also had a strange pairing of the static Davies, and the speedy Ngog if we were playing two up front.

 

If Petrov was playing left wing ? then Coyle once again had simply not dealt with the vulnerability of Robinson caused a great deal with Petrov lack of tracking back in front of him.

 

Unless I mistaken the game started as a 4-5-1 with Ngog playing the lone striker, Davies being the static right sided midfielder , Gardner in the middle (why not Mark Davies then?) and the ongoing left sided problem of Petrov in front of Robinson.

 

Four ? nil down within half an hour ? no surprise really ? Robinson / Petrov mercilessly exploited AGAIN! (Why can Coyle not see this?).

 

Half time changes put Gardner in front of Robinson, Petrov over to the right and pushed Davies up front to make it 4-4-2 ? we did look slightly more balanced but Chelsea had stopped playing by then.

 

I can?t see Davies and Ngog working up front ? nor Petrov on the right (simply because he offers no cover for the full back).

 

Coyle simply has to start addressing not only glaring tactical deficiencies in our team such as sorting out the left side of defence but also has got to study how our opponents play and plan to deal with them ? not as been reported ? ignoring the opposition and just concentrating on our own game.

 

These problems have been going on far, far too long ? it?s not just about this season?s difficult start. Since the beginning of the year (the Liverpool game), we have played 26 league games, won 6, drawn 2, and lost 18, giving just a meagre 20 points (which equates to just 30 points over a whole season ? 38 games)!!!

Edited October 3, 2011 by Sluffy

[HomerJay]

coyle woulnt quit now, unless he really thought he'd lost it.

 

on paper, we have still played chelsea, arsenal, livepool, manure and city in the 1st 7 games.

 

you could argue, that norwich at home was a blip due to confidence.

 

plus he's won both cup games, one away at prem opposition.

 

i kinda hope coyle would be even more positive than that, and believes the season starts at wigan!

[DazBob]

Well, one thing's for sure, this is now a career defining moment for Coyle.

 

This is without doubt the biggest challenge he's faced so far in his managerial career.

 

Has he got the nouse to turn things around? Can he find a winning (or even a drawing) formula whilst the players' moral is at rock bottom?

 

We'll know for sure in a few weeks.

 

I hate to say it, but I've got serious doubts.

[Peter North]

I know OC does not turn his back on a challenge.. so I can't see him walking away from this one.

 

In fact he is more likely to be motivated by the current situation.

 

We all know that some horrifying injuries having promoted some otherwise bit-part players to first team status.

 

What the squad needs some group therapy to massage some ego's in to working together as a team rather than against each other.

 

OC is still the man for the job until he himself chooses otherwise.

[Garrp]

I know OC does not turn his back on a challenge.. so I can't see him walking away from this one.

 

In fact he is more likely to be motivated by the current situation.

 

We all know that some horrifying injuries having promoted some otherwise bit-part players to first team status.

 

What the squad needs some group therapy to massage some ego's in to working together as a team rather than against each other.

 

OC is still the man for the job until he himself chooses otherwise.

 

 

Good point well made

 

except we all dont

 

hes being blamed for signing shite.

 

If only he had his crystal ball on and saw how many serious long term injuries we were going to have, then he could have spent more money on the better players.....oh fuck....no he couldnt as were absolutely skint.

[jules_darby]

Sluffy

 

We did definitely start 4-5-1 with Davies on the right

[Rembrandt]

Good point well made

 

except we all dont

 

hes being blamed for signing shite.

 

If only he had his crystal ball on and saw how many serious long term injuries we were going to have, then he could have spent more money on the better players.....oh fuck....no he couldnt as were absolutely skint.

 

Two serious injuries have hit us hard - Lee & Holden. Davis has been injured for 2 years, I'm not convinced Ricketts is much better than Steinsson and the same goes for Mears.

We have no money, therefore we need a manager who can organise a team & get the best out of an average squad. People are beginning to think that Coyle isn't that man. Seems fair criticism to me, given the performances & results since January.

But I'd give him the next 7 matches to sort somthing out and get us moving forward again. We might still be in the bottom 3 by then, but we have to be in touch with those above us and improving. Otherwise ED & PG need a Plan-B themselves, or accept a likely relegation.

[Garrp]

Two serious injuries have hit us hard - Lee & Holden. Davis has been injured for 2 years, I'm not convinced Ricketts is much better than Steinsson and the same goes for Mears.

We have no money, therefore we need a manager who can organise a team & get the best out of an average squad. People are beginning to think that Coyle isn't that man. Seems fair criticism to me, given the performances & results since January.

But I'd give him the next 7 matches to sort somthing out and get us moving forward again. We might still be in the bottom 3 by then, but we have to be in touch with those above us and improving. Otherwise ED & PG need a Plan-B themselves, or accept a likely relegation.

 

Does that include the 13 games from February 2nd Until April 24th where we won 8, drew 1 and lost 4?

[Peter North]

At the end of the day, given the money and resources available at the club, and the fixture list, just about any manager would struggle in that situation.

 

What we need to see are OC's man-management and motivational skills coming to the fore.

 

The players themselves need to show some grit, and a proper, definitive starting line-up and team formation needs to be established.

 

To me, the defining moment is if we are in bottom three over the Christmas period, then questions can be asked of the man himself.

[mickbrown]

It's not the fact we've lost against the likes of Chelsea, Man United etc. that worries me. Deep down we all expect to lose such games. If you'd have asked me for a points prediction after the first 7 games, I'd have been happy with 4.

 

However, we have looked fecking clueless for the majority of those games. Now that is worrying.

[Ani]

It?s worse than not knowing his best team in my opinion ? it?s not having even a basic plan that bothers me.

 

When the team was announced I simply could not figure out how we would play ? we had two left sided players ? Petrov and Gardner ? and nobody who could naturally play on the right.

 

We also had a strange pairing of the static Davies, and the speedy Ngog if we were playing two up front.

 

If Petrov was playing left wing ? then Coyle once again had simply not dealt with the vulnerability of Robinson caused a great deal with Petrov lack of tracking back in front of him.

 

Unless I mistaken the game started as a 4-5-1 with Ngog playing the lone striker, Davies being the static right sided midfielder , Gardner in the middle (why not Mark Davies then?) and the ongoing left sided problem of Petrov in front of Robinson.

 

Four ? nil down within half an hour ? no surprise really ? Robinson / Petrov mercilessly exploited AGAIN! (Why can Coyle not see this?).

 

Half time changes put Gardner in front of Robinson, Petrov over to the right and pushed Davies up front to make it 4-4-2 ? we did look slightly more balanced but Chelsea had stopped playing by then.

 

I can?t see Davies and Ngog working up front ? nor Petrov on the right (simply because he offers no cover for the full back).

 

Coyle simply has to start addressing not only glaring tactical deficiencies in our team such as sorting out the left side of defence but also has got to study how our opponents play and plan to deal with them ? not as been reported ? ignoring the opposition and just concentrating on our own game.

 

These problems have been going on far, far too long ? it?s not just about this season?s difficult start. Since the beginning of the year (the Liverpool game), we have played 26 league games, won 6, drawn 2, and lost 18, giving just a meagre 20 points (which equates to just 30 points over a whole season ? 38 games)!!!

 

n'gog playing off KD i can see, and to be fair the change to 2 up front was made in the first half.

 

i do not agree with OCs tactics but he needs to make a call given the run of games we have on his best team and formation.

 

he may differ slightly home V away but getting to a settled team and formation is the starting point for any succesful team.

 

changing players/formations and tactics every ten minutes is a recipe for disaster.

 

players are not sure what they should be doing which means they take a split second longer to react which at this level is suicide

 

you then get a run of bad results, which fucks up confidence and again players become slower and more reluctant to take responsibility

 

chuck in a run of individual errors and you get to where we are, Chelseas first 3 goals were 1 bad marking and 2 errors by the human highliterpen

 

i did not go to villa but all the reports said one we scored we were a different team (i know holden was playing but nowhere near 100%)

 

if we spend next month and half fucking about we will be adrift, at the moment we are well in touch win a game and we will be a different team

Edited October 3, 2011 by Ani

[Guest bwfcdan]

A bloke from Granada Reports has been interviewing folk in town centre at lunch today, apparently half the ones he spoke want Coyle out.

 

Ludicrous.

[birch-chorley]

A bloke from Granada Reports has been interviewing folk in town centre at lunch today, apparently half the ones he spoke want Coyle out.

 

Ludicrous.

 

Was he at the Family planning centre?

[Sweep]

A bloke from Granada Reports has been interviewing folk in town centre at lunch today

He did well to find anybody that could speak English

[captainmed]

When the team was announced I simply could not figure out how we would play ? we had two left sided players ? Petrov and Gardner ? and nobody who could naturally play on the right.

 

 

My son who is 13 said same and thought it was a mistake when team was announced.

[superjohnmcginlay]

A bloke from Granada Reports has been interviewing folk in town centre at lunch today, apparently half the ones he spoke want Coyle out.

 

Ludicrous.

 

 

I presume they were in town to buy grey marls and bedsheets

[Sluffy]

Sluffy

 

We did definitely start 4-5-1 with Davies on the right

 

Thanks Jules, I saw the team list but had to missed much of the first half.

 

I thought that was how we were set up but simply could not fathom out the thinking behind it (other than perhaps find a place for Davies somewhere - just like Coyle was doing for Elmander last season). To me the team was completely unbalanced - Petrov with the speed to support Ngog on the left - but left massive holes behind him because he doesn't do tracking back - and a rather static Davies stranded in right midfield - with Gardner (who is not a centre mid) in the middle - why then not simply play Mark Davies - at least he is a centre mid?

 

In my opinion Coyle urgently needs to address how he uses Petrov.

 

Coyle needs to either give Petrov a free role and play with just Ngog up front - with four across the middle - Gardner, NRC, Muamba and Eagles - as it stands for now - God, doesn't that look shocking but Gardner is the only natural left sided player we have, we need NRC and Muamba to shore up in front of our brittle defence and Eagles is probably the only natural right sided player we have (with some pace). I guess Kakuta could play wide left (but I don't really know much about him).

 

OR, Coyle has to bin Petrov as being too much of a luxury for us right now.

 

What he can't do is shut his eyes, stick is fingers in his ears and stop screaming to himself 'it will work, it will work' - because Petrov defending just does not happen - and it leaves Robinson vulnerable time after time, after time. Everybody knows now to attack us here because Coyle simply does nothing about it.

 

Seems so obvious to me?

[Traf]

Does that include the 13 games from February 2nd Until April 24th where we won 8, drew 1 and lost 4?

 

You're counting 4 cup games?

 

Sluffy's right.

Our 2nd half of last season was

Played 19: Won 5, Drawn 2, Lost 12. Scored 20 and conceded 31: 17pts

This season:

Played 7: Won 1, Drawn 0, Lost 6. Scored 9 and Conceded 21: 3pts.

 

So it's 20pts from 26 games = 29pts in a season!

As for the excuse of our difficult start this season, what about those last 19 games of last season, where we played everyone?

 

It's currently not good enough and I'm getting the word "Burnley"

[Mounts Kipper]

If anyone is any doubt that BWFC premier league place is in grave danger and that O.C. job is hanging by a thread have a look at the first 2 goals that we conceded.

 

Stop the screen every 5 seconds and watch the players positions and the actions that they take, Luis picks the ball up Ngog meanders across at 1/4 pace this being 1 minute in he should be breaking his neck to get over, Petrov then takes 2 steps forward to go to close down only to be dragged back in by Robinson who wants him to cover Boswinga, Luis thinks I might as well keep going, then Pratley is within distance to easily close down which would have forced Luis to either play a square ball or turn back to the keeper or hurry a forward pass and risk losing possesion, Pratley does nothing just backs off giving luis the green light to advance, Luis then threads a ball through which Petrov should have easily cut out but stumbles because he is back peddaling into position, 1 pass and were were wide open on our left side. the ball then gets played in and its not a difficult job for Bogdan to tell Boyata that its his ball, instead he says nowt and Boyata needlessly knocks the ball out for a corner.

 

From the resulting corner,Luis makes a 5 yard run across the front post Davies and 1 other player track Luis to the front post leaving a gaping hole in the middle of the penalty area, Steinson does not react and Sturridge has a free header, to compound matters further we have 1 player on the back post and no player on the front post who could have easily blocked the header.

 

It has been a shambles defensively since the Stoke game and it is Coyle and his staffs fault, there is a rumour that we do not practice set pieces and do little of work on shape and formation, this might not be true but Sunday backs up that rumour, I have said that we should be judged on the next 6 games but the worry is that the errors we are making would cost us goals against any team, I hope the next 2 weeks is spent on the training ground getting the basics of defending right, if Coyle does not grasp the gravity of our defensive shitness he will be on his way sooner rather than later.

Edited October 4, 2011 by Mounts Kipper

[Rembrandt]

Does that include the 13 games from February 2nd Until April 24th where we won 8, drew 1 and lost 4?

 

See Traf's reply.

[SpiritofBurnden]

We have no money, therefore we need a manager who can organise a team & get the best out of an average squad. People are beginning to think that Coyle isn't that man.

 

He got the best out of an average squad last season and we only took one point from the fixtures against the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and City. The difference is that since Holden was injured, we've looked like a completely different team. Teams like ours can't afford to lose one of their best players, let alone two.

[SpiritofBurnden]

there is a rumour that we do not practice set pieces and do little of work on shape and formation

 

Do people really believe this shite?

[Rembrandt]

If anyone is any doubt that BWFC premier league place is in grave danger and that O.C. job is hanging by a thread have a look at the first 2 goals that we conceded.

 

Stop the screen every 5 seconds and watch the players positions and the actions that they take, Luis picks the ball up Ngog meanders across at 1/4 pace this being 1 minute in he should be breaking his neck to get over, Petrov then takes 2 steps forward to go to close down only to be dragged back in by Robinson who wants him to cover Boswinga, Luis thinks I might as well keep going, then Pratley is within distance to easily close down which would have forced Luis to either play a square ball or turn back to the keeper or hurry a forward pass and risk losing possesion, Pratley does nothing just backs off giving luis the green light to advance, Luis then threads a ball through which Petrov should have easily cut out but stumbles because he is back peddaling into position, 1 pass and were were wide open on our left side. the ball then gets played in and its not a difficult job for Bogdan to tell Boyata that its his ball, instead he says nowt and Boyata needlessly knocks the ball out for a corner.

 

From the resulting corner,Luis makes a 5 yard run across the front post Davies and 1 other player track Luis to the front post leaving a gaping hole in the middle of the penalty area, Steinson does not react and Sturridge has a free header, to compound matters further we have 1 player on the back post and no player on the front post who could have easily blocked the header.

 

It has been a shambles defensively since the Stoke game and it is Coyle and his staffs fault, there is a rumour that we do not practice set pieces and do little of work on shape and formation, this might not be true but Sunday backs up that rumour, I have said that we should be judged on the next 6 games but the worry is that the errors we are making would cost us goals against any team, I hope the next 2 weeks is spent on the training ground getting the basics of defending right, if Coyle does not grasp the gravity of our defensive shitness he will be on his way sooner rather than later.

 

"Klasnic, Bogdan, Cahill, Kakuta, Boyata and Connolly are all selected for their respective national teams".

That's a problem in the next 2 weeks, Mounts, though I agree 2 weeks solid team training is needed.

[Casino]

Do people really believe this shite?

 

of course they don't

 

its patently obvious that its shite

 

you only need to watch us

[SpiritofBurnden]

of course they don't

 

its patently obvious that its shite

 

you only need to watch us

 

I know you do. I was referring to people without an agenda.