July 25, 20233 yr Just now, royal white said: On the links you provided yes. You’ve just tried to blame it on the weather/climate and tried to shrug off the suggestion arson was to blame. that’s not the case. If we are saying all fires are started directly or indirectly by hoomans, then fair enough. Are you suggesting there is a solution and a way to end wildfires altogether?
July 25, 20233 yr He'd argue black was white just to save losing face. It's always funny watching him go round and round though. You can educate people to be more careful in dry areas but you're never going to eradicate the risk of a fire starting. Whether that be a careless accident, a deliberate act or a random accident etc. It's blatantly obvious that the severity of the current drought in Europe means wildfires are happening more often. Europe is warming up more than twice the global average and has warmed faster than any other global region in the past 30 years. Wildfires are much more common than they used to be; they are spreading faster and further; and are harder to keep under control. Dismissing all of it because of an arsonist is some next level nonsense.
July 25, 20233 yr 3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: He'd argue black was white just to save losing face. It's always funny watching him go round and round though. You can educate people to be more careful in dry areas but you're never going to eradicate the risk of a fire starting. Whether that be a careless accident, a deliberate act or a random accident etc. It's blatantly obvious that the severity of the current drought in Europe means wildfires are happening more often. Europe is warming up more than twice the global average and has warmed faster than any other global region in the past 30 years. Wildfires are much more common than they used to be; they are spreading faster and further; and are harder to keep under control. Dismissing all of it because of an arsonist is some next level nonsense. I’ve simply (for the likes of you) pointed out these fires that spider linked were started by arsonists. I agree wildfires are happening more often. Is arson happening more often?
July 25, 20233 yr Just now, royal white said: I’ve simply (for the likes of you) pointed out these fires that spider linked were started by arsonists. I agree wildfires are happening more often. Is arson happening more often? Is it?
July 25, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Pity they're not always biased towards the truth though eh! In fairness, none of them are. Thing is with a lot of the reporting- it doesn't go deep enough, and that lays the platform for deniers. Same with the protest groups. Would be better if scientists were allowed into schools and sixth forms etc to present rigorously achieved results, rather than stonewall et al telling kids women have dicks. How about a collaborative approach from the channels with regards to some genuinely accurate programming which they can all show, including how research is undertaken and how results interpreted. How the fck did you bring gender politics into it ? 🤣 I see scientists in schools all the time doing workshops etc. In my experience, children and teenagers (the usual apathy aside) have a pretty good understanding of the climate science and seem to trust it. You see more misinformation amongst older people, who spread a lot of shite because they don't want to give up their city range rover and five flights a year lifestyle. I agree on your collaborative approach point. That needs to spread to social media platforms as well. It's a minefield to be honest. I'd start with treating it as an emergency. Have the PM giving a weekly climate emergency briefing where they are supported by scientists who give the rationale for the policies. Instead we've got Rishi the coward now hinting we've got to take a step back from net zero. Roll on next Spring. Edited July 25, 20233 yr by London Wanderer
July 25, 20233 yr Let’s go with Royal’s suggestion that all 64 fires were started deliberately. How do we, as a species, stop that from happening? Because if we can, it won’t matter how hot the weather is, nowt will burn. Taking things to a logical conclusion, so to speak. Prevention is better than cure after all.
July 25, 20233 yr 2 minutes ago, Spider said: Is it? The lad will always be on hand with another irrelevant question.
July 25, 20233 yr 4 minutes ago, Spider said: Let’s go with Royal’s suggestion that all 64 fires were started deliberately. How do we, as a species, stop that from happening? Because if we can, it won’t matter how hot the weather is, nowt will burn. Taking things to a logical conclusion, so to speak. Prevention is better than cure after all. Have you contacted the organisers of COP28 ? They'd be desperate to get this added to the agenda.
July 25, 20233 yr Looks like Royal is right Even the pilots of the planes there to put them out are starting fires now. 2 dead here:
July 25, 20233 yr 32 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: The lad will always be on hand with another irrelevant question. How’s it irrelevant? If there’s more people being careless then there’s going to be more fires. we know you like a BBC link but I guess you’re going to tell us how you know more than the fire crews on the ground. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-65876688.amp
July 25, 20233 yr 35 minutes ago, Spider said: Let’s go with Royal’s suggestion that all 64 fires were started deliberately. How do we, as a species, stop that from happening? Because if we can, it won’t matter how hot the weather is, nowt will burn. Taking things to a logical conclusion, so to speak. Prevention is better than cure after all. You’re not that thick. I think/hope
July 25, 20233 yr Just now, royal white said: You’re not that thick. I think/hope I'm simply following your trail. As I keep saying, the cause is irrelevant from the climate issue. Arsonist, accident, whatever - they are happening more often and if you tie that in with record temperatures, you are going to have a massive shitstorm to deal with. Wildfires have been around as long as humans have. The world heating up and climate/weather becoming more extreme is exacerbating the problem. You see.
July 25, 20233 yr 1 minute ago, Spider said: I'm simply following your trail. As I keep saying, the cause is irrelevant from the climate issue. Arsonist, accident, whatever - they are happening more often and if you tie that in with record temperatures, you are going to have a massive shitstorm to deal with. Wildfires have been around as long as humans have. The world heating up and climate/weather becoming more extreme is exacerbating the problem. You see. You didn’t read the link did you? If you think the cause is irrelevant then you’re a bit simple.
July 25, 20233 yr 3 minutes ago, royal white said: You didn’t read the link did you? If you think the cause is irrelevant then you’re a bit simple. Do you think we can prevent humans causing the wildfires? I don’t, before you ask. I am accepting that humans will always cause them either deliberately or otherwise. My point is that the change in climate/weather is now making them more frequent and more damaging. Ill let you sort the arsonists out, Cap’n.
July 25, 20233 yr 6 minutes ago, Spider said: Do you think we can prevent humans causing the wildfires? I don’t, before you ask. I am accepting that humans will always cause them either deliberately or otherwise. My point is that the change in climate/weather is now making them more frequent and more damaging. Ill let you sort the arsonists out, Cap’n. So not people being stupid with naked flames then?
July 25, 20233 yr Just now, royal white said: So not people being stupid with naked flames then? Jesus Out of 64 fires the news say about 5 were arsonists. If you want to find out the causes of all 64, you go for it. I’m saying that they’re starting somehow, as they always have. However, they are worse than ever because of the extreme weather/climate. Maybe the army can patrol all the forests and grasslands to prevent them starting. Don’t fancy their chances, like.
July 25, 20233 yr 3 minutes ago, Spider said: Jesus Out of 64 fires the news say about 5 were arsonists. If you want to find out the causes of all 64, you go for it. I’m saying that they’re starting somehow, as they always have. However, they are worse than ever because of the extreme weather/climate. Maybe the army can patrol all the forests and grasslands to prevent them starting. Don’t fancy their chances, like. As before you’re surely not that thick? Are you suggesting a fire 10 years ago wouldn’t have spread because it was a degree or 2 cooler?
July 25, 20233 yr I'm enjoying these posts that keep popping up with links to prove that people can start fires. Who'd have thought that to be the case? You learn a new thing everyday. No doubt Greenpeace will shortly be diverting their campaigns away from fossil fuel companies to target those producing lighters and matches.
July 25, 20233 yr Just now, royal white said: As before you’re surely not that thick? Are you suggesting a fire 10 years ago wouldn’t have spread because it was a degree or 2 cooler? Everything’s fine Don’t worry about it. you’re right, everything’s exactly the same as it was and always will be. 2 degrees warmer means absolutely nothing to our planet. Give us all a shout when it goes up 20 degrees, let’s talk then.
July 25, 20233 yr Just now, Spider said: Everything’s fine Don’t worry about it. you’re right, everything’s exactly the same as it was and always will be. 2 degrees warmer means absolutely nothing to our planet. Give us all a shout when it goes up 20 degrees, let’s talk then. We had wildfires over here during a wet April/May. Somehow you think we can stop wildfires in Greece in July by reducing the temp a degree or 2 😂😂🤡 Using your Grenfell example., I’ve just driven through Salford. Some apartments have cladding on but they’re not on fire. Why’s that?
July 25, 20233 yr 2 minutes ago, royal white said: We had wildfires over here during a wet April/May. Somehow you think we can stop wildfires in Greece in July by reducing the temp a degree or 2 😂😂🤡 Using your Grenfell example., I’ve just driven through Salford. Some apartments have cladding on but they’re not on fire. Why’s that? Yes that’s right
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