royal white Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, Spider said: I was there last week and it was fucking baking hot. My sister just put on the family group chat that it’s unbearable in the direct sunlight this afternoon. The bloke who works at the bar is from Seville, so knows a thing or 2 about a hot day, and even he packed it in at 2pm and shut the bar til 7. Look, it’s Spain, it’s hot. That’s not unusual, but the ferocity really is summert else. 2 more weeks of it as well. Fkin Fannie’s. Well over a 1000 patriots many carrying big fuck off drums, paraded through the streets of Benidorm and Turkey last week with no complaints. This fucker is closing his bar when folk need a drink!!! work shy fuckers. Quote
Spider Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, royal white said: Fkin Fannie’s. Well over a 1000 patriots many carrying big fuck off drums, paraded through the streets of Benidorm and Turkey last week with no complaints. This fucker is closing his bar when folk need a drink!!! work shy fuckers. Why do they feel the need to parade their nonsense in front of folk who don’t give a fuck? Keep that cringeworthy, embarrassing behaviour behind closed doors lads. Orange really doesn’t go with gammon. Edited July 17, 2023 by Spider Quote
royal white Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Spider said: Why do they feel the need to parade their nonsense in front of folk who don’t give a fuck? Keep that cringeworthy, embarrassing behaviour behind closed doors lads. Orange really doesn’t go with gammon. God knows, I suppose it’s similar to those religious festivals they have marching through towns over here. Like you say keep it indoors Anyway still no excuse to close a pub Edited July 17, 2023 by royal white Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, Spider said: I was there last week and it was fucking baking hot. My sister just put on the family group chat that it’s unbearable in the direct sunlight this afternoon. The bloke who works at the bar is from Seville, so knows a thing or 2 about a hot day, and even he packed it in at 2pm and shut the bar til 7. Look, it’s Spain, it’s hot. That’s not unusual, but the ferocity really is summert else. 2 more weeks of it as well. I was referring to the solar panels! Are they still working despite the very high temps. Quote
Spider Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: I was referring to the solar panels! Are they still working despite the very high temps. Yeah theyre cracking on with heat pumps out in Europe an all. Bitcoin? Invest your money in air source gentlemen… Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 Still a lot of debate about whether they will maintain an adequate temperature isn't there. I would imagine that some of these places perhaps don't get as cold for as long as we do on average. As for prices, you know why our leccy is higher, and hopefully that levy will be re-alocated now renewable generation is well underway. Quote
Spider Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Still a lot of debate about whether they will maintain an adequate temperature isn't there. I would imagine that some of these places perhaps don't get as cold for as long as we do on average. As for prices, you know why our leccy is higher, and hopefully that levy will be re-alocated now renewable generation is well underway. The debate needs updating. Newer models get as hot as boilers because of an upgrade to the compressors and the gas used. Early models could only produce 55 degrees but now they can get flow temps of 75 degrees at no extra running cost. The Koreans in particular are making massive strides with the technology. These things work down to minus 10 and still produce the heat you need. Its only a matter of time… Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Spider said: The debate needs updating. Newer models get as hot as boilers because of an upgrade to the compressors and the gas used. Early models could only produce 55 degrees but now they can get flow temps of 75 degrees at no extra running cost. The Koreans in particular are making massive strides with the technology. These things work down to minus 10 and still produce the heat you need. Its only a matter of time… Indeed, I agree that the advances are being made, but for whatever reason, we seem to continue to push the narrative that they are inadequate. Similar with electric vehicles. Iirc, talk of an almost 600 mile range within a couple of years. Can't remember which manufacturer though. Quote
Spider Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: Indeed, I agree that the advances are being made, but for whatever reason, we seem to continue to push the narrative that they are inadequate. Similar with electric vehicles. Iirc, talk of an almost 600 mile range within a couple of years. Can't remember which manufacturer though. The big boiler manufacturers are producing the narrative. That’ll change soon because Worcester now have a heat pump (despite insisting hydrogen would be the future. It isn’t). 4 years ago there were about 7-8 manufacturers of heat pump available on the uk market. I’d estimate you can choose from 25-30 now and there’ll be more coming, especially from China. As it stands, there are only 2 UK manufacturers, and one of them (Global Energy) is a minnow in reality. Vailliant are the other. I was in Sweden recently and they are hoping to export 50,000 units to the uk over the next few years. Gonna be some rich lads in Helsingborg. Quote
globaldiver Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Spider said: The debate needs updating. Newer models get as hot as boilers because of an upgrade to the compressors and the gas used. Early models could only produce 55 degrees but now they can get flow temps of 75 degrees at no extra running cost. The Koreans in particular are making massive strides with the technology. These things work down to minus 10 and still produce the heat you need. Its only a matter of time… Hope so, as they are not currently selling like hot cakes in the UK The UK currently has just 412 heat pumps per 100,000 people. The UK heat pump market nearly doubled in 2021, with manufacturers ordering a total of 67,000 units for the year. The UK has plans to roll out 600,000 heat pumps per year by 2028. Between 2021-2022, heat pump sales increased by 40%, equating to over 17,000 more heat pumps installed compared to 2021. Quote
Spider Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Hope so, as they are not currently selling like hot cakes in the UK The UK currently has just 412 heat pumps per 100,000 people. The UK heat pump market nearly doubled in 2021, with manufacturers ordering a total of 67,000 units for the year. The UK has plans to roll out 600,000 heat pumps per year by 2028. Between 2021-2022, heat pump sales increased by 40%, equating to over 17,000 more heat pumps installed compared to 2021. The biggest problem is a lack of trained installers. The government are doing cock all in this regard. The cynic in me thinks that this is deliberate so that they won’t have to fund the 500,000 they’ve said they will. If we had enough installers, we could do 150,000 a year no problem. Then, our heating sector would be the envy of the world… Edited July 17, 2023 by Spider Quote
Winchester White Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Indeed, I agree that the advances are being made, but for whatever reason, we seem to continue to push the narrative that they are inadequate. Similar with electric vehicles. Iirc, talk of an almost 600 mile range within a couple of years. Can't remember which manufacturer though. I still see articles in the Sun, Express, and Mail, etc (all linked to online, I don't buy such rags) that states solar and wind is shite and you can't get to your local tescos in and back in electric car. What is the reason for such bullshit? Money. I have ordered my next company car, was going to go for full electric but tight arse HR won't pay or even subsidise a home charger. Gone for a PHEV because I can charge overnight using bog standard 3 pin plug plus I mainly do loads of short trips so can use electric only most of the time. Other than that it is holidays to the length and breadth of Britain so not worrying about charging is a bonus whilst our frankly piss poor infrastructure is updated. Quote
Winchester White Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 38 minutes ago, Spider said: That's more than a little worrying. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Spider said: The biggest problem is a lack of trained installers. The government are doing cock all in this regard. The cynic in me thinks that this is deliberate so that they won’t have to fund the 500,000 they’ve said they will. If we had enough installers, we could do 150,000 a year no problem. Then, our heating sector would be the envy of the world… There is no money. A lot of pre covid manifesto promises won't happen. Its not infinite, and its gone for the time being. Pointless bitching about it, because it won't change. Needs new thinking, with perhaps the banks/big investors to look long term and install these on a "mortgage" type term, that stays with the house for 'x' years. We've touched on it before, but no government can fund such massive changes on its own, in such a short space of time. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Winchester White said: I still see articles in the Sun, Express, and Mail, etc (all linked to online, I don't buy such rags) that states solar and wind is shite and you can't get to your local tescos in and back in electric car. What is the reason for such bullshit? Money. I have ordered my next company car, was going to go for full electric but tight arse HR won't pay or even subsidise a home charger. Gone for a PHEV because I can charge overnight using bog standard 3 pin plug plus I mainly do loads of short trips so can use electric only most of the time. Other than that it is holidays to the length and breadth of Britain so not worrying about charging is a bonus whilst our frankly piss poor infrastructure is updated. I'm not sure it is money. More ignorance- examined properly, results will show financial benefits in many cases. Of course it's correct to challenge where appropriate, but some of these folk argue against the green tech using totally incorrect information. These folk aren't wedded to the oil industry but seem like a modern day ludite. Don't get it. Quote
jayjayoghani Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 7 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Iirc, talk of an almost 600 mile range within a couple of years. Can't remember which manufacturer though. Toyota https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jul/04/toyota-claims-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars Quote
green genie Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 7 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I'm not sure it is money. More ignorance- examined properly, results will show financial benefits in many cases. Of course it's correct to challenge where appropriate, but some of these folk argue against the green tech using totally incorrect information. These folk aren't wedded to the oil industry but seem like a modern day ludite. Don't get it. There are also people who think sticking a flimsily made rotating machine from China with build quality of The Range solar lights on the outside of your house in the UK and expecting it to last more than three years is foolhardy. The other issue of course is the National Grid not being able to support the additional electrical demand of EV chargers for a car which will need to do 300000 miles to pay back the CO2 savings needed to offset it’s build. Was it whitestar on here who was involved in the large scale heat pumps in Norway which would be better solution but rely on mass infrastructure builds to distribute the warm water. Anyway, you’ll all have to get used to living with small scale nuclear power plant in close vicinity soon enough. One of the A class boats in Demport could be hooked up to grid and supply Plymouth on its own Quote
gonzo Posted July 18, 2023 Author Posted July 18, 2023 If my boilers packs in tomorrow, whats it costing me for a heat pump? Quote
gonzo Posted July 18, 2023 Author Posted July 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Winchester White said: That's more than a little worrying. Day after tomorrow tackle. Great film that btw. Weather porn Quote
Spider Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, gonzo said: If my boilers packs in tomorrow, whats it costing me for a heat pump? You may qualify for a free one. At worst, everyone qualified for a £5k contribution from the government (which they hardly ever mention). but you’re likely looking at £10k Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 2 hours ago, green genie said: There are also people who think sticking a flimsily made rotating machine from China with build quality of The Range solar lights on the outside of your house in the UK and expecting it to last more than three years is foolhardy. The other issue of course is the National Grid not being able to support the additional electrical demand of EV chargers for a car which will need to do 300000 miles to pay back the CO2 savings needed to offset it’s build. Was it whitestar on here who was involved in the large scale heat pumps in Norway which would be better solution but rely on mass infrastructure builds to distribute the warm water. Anyway, you’ll all have to get used to living with small scale nuclear power plant in close vicinity soon enough. One of the A class boats in Demport could be hooked up to grid and supply Plymouth on its own There is a lot of co2 created in making a ice vehicle too. It drops if the energy is generated in a green way, which is gradually happening. Such stats can be used as a barrier to advancement, which is what I was talking about previously. I wonder if such stats also include the energy required to maintain vehicles, which is lower on evs. Quote
stevieb Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 8 hours ago, Spider said: You may qualify for a free one. At worst, everyone qualified for a £5k contribution from the government (which they hardly ever mention). but you’re likely looking at £10k Moody boiler salesman is at it again. 10 bags... Not happening for 90% of the population at them prices. Quote
Spider Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 1 minute ago, stevieb said: Moody boiler salesman is at it again. 10 bags... Not happening for 90% of the population at them prices. I don’t sell boilers. I leave that to the sweaty car dealer types. I sell a dream. Not one you should aspire too though, you’re fine as you are. Quote
gonzo Posted July 18, 2023 Author Posted July 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Spider said: I don’t sell boilers. I leave that to the sweaty car dealer types. I sell a dream. Not one you should aspire too though, you’re fine as you are. He wont believe in climate change for starters. Quote
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