Just fook off Im trying to watch ssn and have a relaxing beer and no I don't want a sticker. Sorry rant over

still happens, sort of

 

was chatting to a Cardiff fan at a wedding at the weekend

 

he went to West Ham away on opening day, they sold their full allocation and a couple of extra thousand went along to try and get in - the tickets were them scan yourself ones and the entrances weren't policed well so it was a free for all with 2 going through at a time 

 

said in the stand was full with people filling up the stairways and squeexzing in where they could, the stairwells were the worst as they ain't that big and when folk couldn't get down the aisles to the seats it got backed up under the stand where everyone was trying to get up into the stands

 

and the police and WHU stewards did nowt, there was only Cardiff's stewards trying to do owt about it

And if someone had died at that game Zico who would we blame?

 

For me it's the ticketless fans.

Also, just to enrage a few

 

Liverpool are holding a minutes applause this weekend to mark 100 years since the day Bill Shankly was born.

 

 

What the fuck is that all about!

Also, just to enrage a few

 

Liverpool are holding a minutes applause this weekend to mark 100 years since the day Bill Shankly was born.

 

 

What the fuck is that all about!

 

 

The same Bill Shankly that was banned from the club, once he quit!

And if someone had died at that game Zico who would we blame?

 

For me it's the ticketless fans.

 

 

The Met, of course.

And if someone had died at that game Zico who would we blame?

 

For me it's the ticketless fans.

 

 

South Yorkshire Police

The Sun

NF

And if someone had died at that game Zico who would we blame?

 

For me it's the ticketless fans.

 

anyone else in the universe apart from the fucking scousers

And if someone had died at that game Zico who would we blame?

 

For me it's the ticketless fans.

 

well I say both, the police knowingly did nowt

 

of course all this is based on 1 fan's account who might have been pissed, I questioned the numbers, 2000 extra fans seemed excessive

 

but if fans are getting in the ground without tickets, the police and stewards are also to blame for letting it happen

 

because again, like with the scousers, if you can get away with it, you will and most of us probably would try it 

But ultimately it is the fans fault. He's doing the initial 'wrong'

 

If I rob from a shop and the security guard doesn't chase me who's to blame.

 

Me because I initially chose to rob in the first place?

The security guard for being a fat knacker?

The shop for employing a fat knacker?

 

Who would be prosecuted in this scenario?

 

Bit of a shit analogy but you get the drift.

But ultimately it is the fans fault. He's doing the initial 'wrong'

 

If I rob from a shop and the security guard doesn't chase me who's to blame.

 

Me because I initially chose to rob in the first place?

The security guard for being a fat knacker?

The shop for employing a fat knacker?

 

Who would be prosecuted in this scenario?

 

Bit of a shit analogy but you get the drift.

 

 

You broke the law in step 1.

Edited August 29, 201312 yr by Pablo

yeah but the security guard should've chased you and should be reprimanded for not doing his job properly

 

by now the thief has long gone so you can't do anything about catching them

 

but you can do what you have to do to make sure the security guard does his job properly and takes responsibility for his actions and doesn't try blaming it on anyone else

 

I am also well aware of the thief's role in all this, but the security guard is employed for a reason, as there's always thieves trying to rob stuff

OK Zico, but what if the thief, whilst running out of the store, hits a stack of baked bean cans which fall and kill him?

 

Would that be the fault of the thief or the store owner?

 

Or the security guard for not stopping him before he caused the problem?

 

 

THAT is a better analogy.

Self scan iis inviting problems, so WHU in the dock for starters.

Plus all those who chose to take advantage, including those with tickets who helped another through.

Self scan iis inviting problems, so WHU in the dock for starters.

 

 

That is utter fucking bollocks.

 

Malc, stick to the stats, mate.

That is utter fucking bollocks.

 

Malc, stick to the stats, mate.

 

No it's not!

It's totally predicable that it will lead to free entry and so the stewarding/policing needs to be vigilant to limit the scale..

Cardiff may or may not be an obvious case, but they are certainly a known difficult set of fans, and were filled with enthusiasm for their new status.

People abusing the system are at fault.

OK Zico, but what if the thief, whilst running out of the store, hits a stack of baked bean cans which fall and kill him?

 

Would that be the fault of the thief or the store owner?

 

Or the security guard for not stopping him before he caused the problem?

 

 

THAT is a better analogy.

Its a terrible analogy

 

The one theif is arguably responsible as a result of their own actions

 

One person, one death

 

What if an innocent child is running and hits the same beans with the same outcome

 

and its not the security's job to make sure only people who are going to buy things go in the shop

 

Im quite aware of the cause and effect and pre report I felt they were more responsible than they were proven to be, so half baked analogies aren't needed to cross examine

 

Fact is the police had a responsibility to all fans to make sure only those with tickets got in and they didnt do that

OK Zico, but what if the thief, whilst running out of the store, hits a stack of baked bean cans which fall and kill him?

 

Would that be the fault of the thief or the store owner?

 

Or the security guard for not stopping him before he caused the problem?

 

 

THAT is a better analogy.

Its a terrible analogy

 

The one theif is arguably responsible as a result of their own actions

 

One person, one death

 

What if an innocent child is running and hits the same beans with the same outcome

 

and its not the security's job to make sure only people who are going to buy things go in the shop

 

Im quite aware of the cause and effect and pre report I felt they were more responsible than they were proven to be, so half baked analogies aren't needed to cross examine

 

Fact is the police had a responsibility to all fans to make sure only those with tickets got in and they didnt do that

All these analogys and not one mention if diddles mum buying a twix?

 

Standards are slipping gents.

If Diddles mum steals a twix and gives it to Diddles without realising the Twix has been poisoned and then Diddles dies...

 

 

...who is to blame?

If Diddles mum steals a twix and gives it to Diddles without realising the Twix has been poisoned and then Diddles dies...

 

 

...who is to blame?

The owner of the right twix factory? If not is it 41

Edited August 29, 201312 yr by tomski

The owner of the right twix factory? If not is it 41

It's in Wigan and the owner is willow Flood.

I had a Twix at lunch, can anyone advise if there is a potential compensation claim?