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22 minutes ago, Underpants said:

Surely a fact goes beyond any theory. No matter how you garnish it up it is still a guess.

I can rattle off thousands of facts and no one would argue. Well, maybe you or Prof Cheese would. But all theory's are fancy guesses. And theories have come unstuck.

Look, given the probabilities the big brains may well be correct. But we won't know for sure until Mork comes knocking.

Theories are made up from facts

Eg 

Newton knew that when he dropped an apple it fell to the ground 

That is a fact 

From that he came up with the the theory of gravity 

1 minute ago, Underpants said:

Erm, ok. So the complete opposite to guess is guess? Thanks for clearing that up, Professor.

"estimate or conclude (something) without sufficient information to be sure of being correct."

So the opposite would be HAVING sufficient information. 

Very little, if anything, is considered a "fact" in science.

But I agree to a degree

If you want to believe in intelligent life as we know it living on other planets you may as well believe in god and heaven 

If you want to believe in life in any form existing somewhere then why not 

It probably does, but so what

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

But I agree to a degree

If you want to believe in intelligent life as we know it living on other planets you may as well believe in god and heaven 

If you want to believe in life in any form existing somewhere then why not 

It probably does, but so what

The human condition innit. Why do we care what shape the world is, or how long it takes us to orbit the sun? There's nowt we can do about any of it. But without our innate curiosity to study and understand such things, we wouldn't be typing these messages to each other.

6 minutes ago, Zico said:

Theories are made up from facts

Eg 

Newton knew that when he dropped an apple it fell to the ground 

That is a fact 

From that he came up with the the theory of gravity 

Apple falling is indeed a fact. It was observed. What science does is crunch the numbers and concluded stuff. A calculated guess then they give it a name.

Little green men or organisms on other planets have never been observed. The available evidence says there might be life on Z112F but until we see it we won't know for sure.

 

3 minutes ago, Underpants said:

Apple falling is indeed a fact. It was observed. What science does is crunch the numbers and concluded stuff. A calculated guess then they give it a name.

Little green men or organisms on other planets have never been observed. The available evidence says there might be life on Z112F but until we see it we won't know for sure.

What's to say the next apple that falls from a tree doesn't go up? Gravity is not a "fact".

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

What's to say the next apple that falls from a tree doesn't go up? Gravity is not a "fact".

I've given up with you. Guess is the opposite of guess. Righto 👍

Just now, Underpants said:

I've given up with you. Guess is the opposite of guess. Righto 👍

That's not what I said at all, but no worries. It's a difficult concept to understand if you just don't 'get it'.

12 minutes ago, Cheese said:

That's not what I said at all, but no worries. It's a difficult concept to understand if you just don't 'get it'.

If you look back to the reply you gave to my question. Did you not reply with guess? But hey-ho. It would be unfair of me to pursue your brain fart.

Like you said earlier. I don't understand science. That is obvious. I can only dream about being on your scientific level, Prof. Cheese Hawking. I will pick my opponents on such matters with more care in future. 

1 minute ago, Underpants said:

If you look back to the reply you gave to my question. Did you not reply with guess? But hey-ho. It would be unfair of me to pursue your brain fart.

Like you said earlier. I don't understand science. That is obvious. I can only dream about being on your scientific level, Prof. Cheese Hawking. I will pick my opponents on such matters with more care in future. 

Not sure what you're talking about now. You're starting to sound like someone who won't believe the Earth is round until you see the entire globe with your own eyes.

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

You're the only one who keeps using the word "fact".

Im pretty sure he denies moon landings cos he wasnt there

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Not sure what you're talking about now. You're starting to sound like someone who won't believe the Earth is round until you see the entire globe with your own eyes.

I don't understand science. Stop badgering me. I can not compete with your Tefal head rammed full with science.

6 minutes ago, Underpants said:

I don't understand science.

We know.

Just now, Cheese said:

We know.

Tbh, neither do i, and i really couldnt be less interested in finding plankton a million miles away

But i dont question moon landings

That is odd

8 minutes ago, Casino said:

Tbh, neither do i, and i really couldnt be less interested in finding plankton a million miles away

But i dont question moon landings

That is odd

I couldn't care less in guess work too.

1 hour ago, Casino said:

Tbh, neither do i, and i really couldnt be less interested in finding plankton a million miles away

I think the money spent on seeing if there's life on another planet could be better used on the life that's on this planet.

3 hours ago, Underpants said:

I've given up with you. Guess is the opposite of guess. Righto 👍

Fucking hell L. Talk about a delayed reaction.

7 hours ago, Casino said:

Im pretty sure he denies moon landings cos he wasnt there

He had tickets and transport sorted but bottled it at the last minute claiming moonflu. To be fair the Sea of Tranquility would have been anything but if he'd have turned up. He'd have been chucked out before half time.

History could have been different. Billions round the world tuning in to the most momentous announcement in human history. James Burke leading the BBC commentary - "are there he is, there he is. Undies is at the bottom of the ladder"

"That's one small step for a mon...Buzz, why are you pulling the ladder up you cunt? Don't turn the fucking engines on. If I don't get this one it's a month till the next Lunar Module. And that'll probably be a replacement bus service, you know what them striking bastards at NASA are like. Come back; I'm touching cloth here and I've filled me space nappy as it is. Oh and look, some fucker's clamped the lunar rover for parking on a double yellow crater. I could be watching Crossroads now with a keg of Party Seven... ".

Tragic postscript a year later when the UN vote to leave the area untouched by later explorers. Partly to preserve a site of global importance for humanity as testimony to human will and endeavour, and partly just in case the mithering fucker is in a state of suspended animation and would be revived when brought back..."moon? No way, I wasn't there. I was in Skegness that weekend and I've got witnesses to back me up".

7 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Fucking hell L. Talk about a delayed reaction.

I do have a high tolerance level. It can be a curse. 

Well, that all took a strange turn…

WWays at its finest 

17 hours ago, Traf said:

I think the money spent on seeing if there's life on another planet could be better used on the life that's on this planet.

Lots of technology and advances have some about as a result of space exploration. 

Whether it is value for money, is another debate altogether. 

6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Lots of technology and advances have some about as a result of space exploration. 

Whether it is value for money, is another debate altogether. 

I have no doubt that it will be seen as a low cost investment at some future juncture.

Dark energy might be getting weaker - which means we might end up with a 'big crunch' rather than an ever expanding universe. 

The jury is still out over whether this means we will have to watch the Stoke semi final in reverse.

https://www.space.com/desi-cosmological-constant-dark-energy-history?mc_cid=4b6ede3a61&mc_eid=245b0dbe13

30 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Dark energy might be getting weaker - which means we might end up with a 'big crunch' rather than an ever expanding universe. 

The jury is still out over whether this means we will have to watch the Stoke semi final in reverse.

https://www.space.com/desi-cosmological-constant-dark-energy-history?mc_cid=4b6ede3a61&mc_eid=245b0dbe13

at least it would finish 0-0

45 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Dark energy might be getting weaker - which means we might end up with a 'big crunch' rather than an ever expanding universe. 

The jury is still out over whether this means we will have to watch the Stoke semi final in reverse.

https://www.space.com/desi-cosmological-constant-dark-energy-history?mc_cid=4b6ede3a61&mc_eid=245b0dbe13

I've just had a "big crunch" thanks to the past-its use-by-date microwave shepherd's pie I got from  the Co-op for lunch today. So there might be summat in what you say. But it didn't take me $12B to prove it - it was 49p. Money well spent to probe the intricacies of the cosmological constant and me poor old expanding ring-piece. I think I've just shat a good few Higg's Bosons worth of dark matter. The splash-back probably contained the secret of the long sought after relationship between gravity and quantum field theory. Be a Nobel prize there if I hadn't flushed it. Twice.