bgoefc Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I also think if we were a few grand a year worse off we would have made sure there wasn't a chance of pregnancy. Kids getting pregnant at 12 is fucked up! My neighbour is a Guardian reading liberal. His girl had a kid at 17 and is now ensconced in rented accommodation on full benefits. He reckons its her right to have as many kids as she wants and the state should support her and anyone like her. His argument is that without this help only the rich could afford kids and its the human right of everyone to breed. He's a good lad but we agree to disagree on this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny G Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Nor have the governments savage cuts of 0.5% forced people to starve to death. if something is free, people will take it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I have to agree with that - I can't find a f*cking Brasil 2014 Panini album anywhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny G Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 My neighbour is a Guardian reading liberal. His girl had a kid at 17 and is now ensconced in rented accommodation on full benefits. He reckons its her right to have as many kids as she wants and the state should support her and anyone like her. His argument is that without this help only the rich could afford kids and its the human right of everyone to breed. He's a good lad but we agree to disagree on this point. Which is why benefits should be capped to the first Two kids I've got a 3rd on the way before any smart arse replies and we have thought long and hard about wether we can afford another kid which we can It's not up to the government to raise my family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 It's sad when I know folk who would sooner do less hours and fuck careers off as they're better off being a móng and getting their rent paid by the social. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 It's sad when I know folk who would sooner do less hours and fuck careers off as they're better off being a móng and getting their rent paid by the social. We'd better off financially if we both jacked in work and I became her carer as my 'job'. Not sure itd do our sanity any good though. I know folk on either end of the scale. One who works as hard as she can to make sure her lad has all he needs and some of what he wants, whilst often going without herself. And another with a brood of sprogs who can afford 2/3 holidays abroad each year. Its very easy to lable the folk relying on benefits but as with most cases there is a massive variety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny G Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Huge difference between those living purely on benefits and those working on low income who use tax credits to top up their income. Tax credits are a great idea IMO, I actually think that there should be more support from the government to help pay for childcare fees for those who want to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 18, 2014 Author Moderators Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) why? why should the childless (or those who paid their way previously) subsidise those with kids i paid for mine, i'm paying student fees for my eldest seems fair enough Edited April 18, 2014 by Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Huge difference between those living purely on benefits and those working on low income who use tax credits to top up their income. Tax credits are a great idea IMO, I actually think that there should be more support from the government to help pay for childcare fees for those who want to work. I think that if people want to work they should fund their own childcare; why should I fund childcare so that someone else can earn money? I just can't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Huge difference between those living purely on benefits and those working on low income who use tax credits to top up their income. Tax credits are a great idea IMO, I actually think that there should be more support from the government to help pay for childcare fees for those who want to work. Until recently the good example was relying on benefits, as she was struggling to find work close enough to her lads school that'd allow her to start after 9 and finish to pick him up at 3. Luckily shes just started working at a dog parlour and is loving it. But for the 6yrs ive known her she's struggled as the father is as much use as a chocolate fire guard I know its a niche case but it shows that not all are the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny G Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I hear what you are saying, however its better to contribute to childcare cost and have those who want to work working and therefore contributing to the economy Than, not being able to work because of childcare costs and claiming various other benefits instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 18, 2014 Author Moderators Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) I hear what you are saying, however its better to contribute to childcare cost and have those who want to work working and therefore contributing to the economy Than, not being able to work because of childcare costs and claiming various other benefits instead. better option, slash the various other benefits to the barest of bare minimums the problem is, the feckless and the feral don't give a fcuk about dropping kids they can't afford to support sop if we slash benefits we'll just have kids born to suffer Edited April 18, 2014 by Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I hear what you are saying, however its better to contribute to childcare cost and have those who want to work working and therefore contributing to the economy Than, not being able to work because of childcare costs and claiming various other benefits instead. Indeed Which probably shows how high the safety net had become Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny G Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 better option, slash the various other benefits to the barest of bare minimums the problem is, the feckless and the feral don't give a fcuk about dropping kids they can't afford to support sop if we slash benefits we'll just have kids born to suffer With the best will in the world it will never happen, hence my idea of steering the support towards funding childcare, whilst at the same time cutting the other benefits for those that wont work. I should be PM one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny G Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Indeed Which probably shows how high the safety net had become See I think the safety net for those who work and have their income topped up with tax credits etc is about right, id go as far as to say it should be increased a touch. The safety net for those who do not work is far too generous and is more of a lifestyle choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I have to agree with that - I can't find a f*cking Brasil 2014 Panini album anywhere... Morrisons have got them at the back of the tills with the freeby magazines. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 See I think the safety net for those who work and have their income topped up with tax credits etc is about right, id go as far as to say it should be increased a touch. The safety net for those who do not work is far too generous and is more of a lifestyle choice. I hear what you say, but please outline why I should support other people's kids while they go to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny G Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) I hear what you say, but please outline why I should support other people's kids while they go to work. Ok, would you rather support them whilst they did fuck all? Edited April 18, 2014 by Danny G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Ok, would you rather support them whilst they did fuck all? no, they shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I hear what you say, but please outline why I should support other people's kids while they go to work. Why should I pay for roads when I walk everywhere Why should I pay for the NHS when I hardly ever use it Why should I pay for foreign aid Why should I pay for jobseekers when I haven't had a day out of work since turning 17 Because we do. That's how it works. It may get refined slightly but the safety net should be there for those who need it temporarily, not as a way of life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny G Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 no, they shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them Totally agree, however they do because the system at present allows them to do so, hence supporting them into work is better then supporting them watching Jeremy Kyle all day long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Girl Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Huge difference between those living purely on benefits and those working on low income who use tax credits to top up their income. Tax credits are a great idea IMO, I actually think that there should be more support from the government to help pay for childcare fees for those who want to work. What you seem to be saying is that if it benefits you, then it's ok. Otherwise, it's scrounging. Let's hope you don't have a sudden, incapacitating illness that stops you from working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny G Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 What you seem to be saying is that if it benefits you, then it's ok. Otherwise, it's scrounging. Let's hope you don't have a sudden, incapacitating illness that stops you from working. Read one of my earlier posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Girl Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Read one of my earlier posts I have read them. I reiterate, you seem in favour of benefits if they favour you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I have read them. I reiterate, you seem in favour of benefits if they favour you. Tarring of brushes seems to be favourite past time of folk on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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