I would have bet my bottom dollar I'd be conservative or at a push ukip but I've got lib fucking dem.

 

I think it's spending too much time on here with you bedwetting hand wringing yoghurt knitting teacher lovers!

 

www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/

 

 

The Mrs just answered and got UKIP after thinking she'd get lib dem.

 

Someone debunk this as bullshit please.

 

You can also use this as a reminder that you have until the 20th of April to register to vote.

£800 a month???? fcuk me do you all live in a skip

Mortgage + Utilities + Council tax = £550

 

We're way over £800 pcm here

best get that cv spruced

Funnily enough, I spruced my CV up at the start of the year and got a 33pc pay increase by getting a new job.

Funnily enough, I spruced my CV up at the start of the year and got a 33pc pay increase by getting a new job.

 

then what you whinging for....£800 for childcare is a doddle then.

For me:

 

TV, broadband and phones £60

Mortgage £300

Gas, leccy and water £90

Council tax £72

Car insurance £50

 

That's £6k a year, so your 10k looks fine.

 

The rest is optional as I could cycle to work and eat there for free.

I've included food, ale & fags in my 10k

 

All of which I could trim back on, so where this 18-21k, or senile Scargill's 25k comes from leaves me baffled!

 

There's a big difference between a 'living wage' & wanting more spunkable disposable income.

 

When the wages go up are people thinking products they buy will stay the same?

if profitable businesses have a responsibility to the society that buys there goods (bollocks imo) does society have a responsibility to the owner of a business that goes bang

 

i bet smiffs has a view

I've included food, ale & fags in my 10k

 

All of which I could trim back on, so where this 18-21k, or senile Scargill's 25k comes from leaves me baffled!

 

There's a big difference between a 'living wage' & wanting more spunkable disposable income.

 

When the wages go up are people thinking products they buy will stay the same?

 

What you reckon it costs for someone to live isn't that relevant when these are set based on evidence and research by an independent body.

 

My monthly outgoings on mortgage alone is more than yours. So it is pointless basing it on any persons singular experience. It is the average cost of living.

 

Everyone could live on virtually nothing bar a sleeping bag and a free daily cup of soup in reality but this is trying to establish a baseline for the bare minimum requirements for a sensible wage to support people's lives.

 

Also ignoring NI and pension contributions which presumably many low paid workers will still make. Given they are low paid they probably don't have a mortgage so most likely rent. Presumably they also mainly have some form of transport costs to get to work and don't get to eat there for free....

if profitable businesses have a responsibility to the society that buys there goods (bollocks imo) does society have a responsibility to the owner of a business that goes bang

 

i bet smiffs has a view

 

They would be entitled to the same measure of benefits and support of anyone else within society would they not? My view, and I know a lot of people will disagree, is that business should be integrated as part of society. Not seen as something in its own right and certainly not something that dominates all thinking. It is central to making things work, but has to realise it sometimes has to look slightly beyond its profit and cost margins.

 

That is not to say you go all in and force it. It is just about creating the right culture.

I'm not sure if it's been asked further up but if this living wage bollocks is £25k then are other people's wages going to be increased accordingly and how does that work without the employer going bust

I'm not sure if it's been asked further up but if this living wage bollocks is £25k then are other people's wages going to be increased accordingly and how does that work without the employer going bust

It isn't....

It isn't....

how much is calculated then and by whom?

how much is calculated then and by whom?

 

http://www.lboro.ac.uk/research/crsp/mis/thelivingwage/

http://www.lboro.ac.uk/research/crsp/mis/thelivingwage/

 

How many hours a week are they assuming?

 

36, 37.5 or 40?

What you reckon it costs for someone to live isn't that relevant when these are set based on evidence and research by an independent body.

 

IT'S NOT WHAT I RECKON! IT'S WHAT IT COSTS ME! DON'T BE SELECTIVE IN YOUR READING.

 

My monthly outgoings on mortgage alone is more than yours. So it is pointless basing it on any persons singular experience. It is the average cost of living.

 

YET IF YOU WERE ON MINIMUM WAGE, THIS WOULD NOT BE TRUE. IT IS ALSO NOT ON AVERAGE COST OF LIVING, OTHERWISE IT WOULDNT BE A LIVING WAGE, IT WOULD BE A 'LET'S ALL HAVE THE SAME WAGE'

 

 

Everyone could live on virtually nothing bar a sleeping bag and a free daily cup of soup in reality but this is trying to establish a baseline for the bare minimum requirements for a sensible wage to support people's lives.

 

THIS IS A DISCUSSION ON A SUPPOSED 'LIVING WAGE'. TO LIVE, YOU NEED, FOOD SHELTER HEATING. NOT CARS, MOBILES, BIG FOOK OFF TELE'S. I'VE POINTED OUT I CAN LIVE EASILY FOR 10K, INCLUDING CARS, MOBILES & BIG FOOK OF TELE'S. IF I COULDN'T, I'D MOVE, DOWNSIZE, GET RID OF A CAR, ETC. ANYONE NOT ABLE TO LIVE ON THE CURRENT MINIMUM WAGE & HANDOUTS NEEDS A BLOODY GOOD SHOEING!

 

Also ignoring NI and pension contributions which presumably many low paid workers will still make. Given they are low paid they probably don't have a mortgage so most likely rent. Presumably they also mainly have some form of transport costs to get to work and don't get to eat there for free....

 

YOU NEED TO DO SOME MORE HOMEWORK! YOUR KNOWLEDGE SEEMS LACKING & PRESUMPTIVE.

 

How many hours a week are they assuming?

 

36, 37.5 or 40?

 

37.5.

So about 18k or 21k in London.

 

There's some expensive tastes out there!

 

Renting a one bed flat in London would set you back at least half of that.

Renting a one bed flat in London would set you back at least half of that.

So don't rent a one bed flat then.

 

If you can't afford it, don't do it.

 

House share.

So don't rent a one bed flat then.

 

If you can't afford it, don't do it.

 

House share.

House shares are expensive as well though. My mate pays £1100 a month for a room

So don't rent a one bed flat then.

 

If you can't afford it, don't do it.

 

House share.

 

So don't have a business if you can't afford to pay your staff a decent wage......

Or have a business and get all the work done in a more affordable marketplace.

House shares are expensive as well though. My mate pays £1100 a month for a room

Bullshit.

 

1. You don't have any mates.

 

2. I'm guessing your 'mate' isn't on minimum wage, nor is the location of said house share the sort of location someone on minimum wage should be house sharing?

Tesco pay their staff more, prices increase to cover it, folk buy less, the economy slows/contracts. There's no easy answers here, if you think there are you don't understand the question.

So don't have a business if you can't afford to pay your staff a decent wage......

You sir are coming across as an A1 moron, with little or no understanding of how this capitalist country works.

 

Social Utopia's have proven to fail time & again, stop trying to back an ideal that doesn't work.

 

If you want that, move to Cuba, I'd give you about 3 months before you'd be crying to come back.

You sir are coming across as an A1 moron, with little or no understanding of how this capitalist country works.

 

Social Utopia's have proven to fail time & again, stop trying to back an ideal that doesn't work.

 

If you want that, move to Cuba, I'd give you about 3 months before you'd be crying to come back.

 

It is pretty distorted to think that a desire to encourage companies to pay £1.25 per hour more to their minimum wage staff equates to a social utopia or the downfall of capitalism. As for mentioning Cuba, well.....

 

Loads of businesses already have signed up to this. It is voluntary. These businesses report 25% less sick days and 75% increase in staff productivity. The fact that this in your mind is equivalent to communism says an awful lot.

Bowtun - you're in the fortunate position of owning your own home. I'd argue anybody who doesn't and is only making minimum wage has very little chance of ever doing the same. I'm currently taking home about a grand a month (which I think is a bit over minimum wage) - if I were single - I think I'd find it very difficult. I'd probably have to give up the car and would have no chance of saving up for a deposit. I'd probably have to steal to maintain my crack habit as well.