Who Should You Vote For?

[Spider]

and therein lies the reason i will never vote labour again. They were the party i voted for in the first 4 elections from 78 as although I could see what the conservatives were doing, i could only see needless devastation of industry were none was needed as you can see in Germany and France who have more of a balance.

 

The unions are shit, belong in the stone age and should not be political if the interest of their members are truly in their focus.

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[Winchester White]

Well said bgoefc. I have a conundrum, my MP is up for re-election and very good he is too is deputy speaker Lyndsay Hoyle. Unfortunately he is Labour.

[birch-chorley]

I'm the sane Winchester

 

He is the only reason I'd consider a labour vote

 

I imagine he will win Chorley again and pretty comfortably too - the Tory guy doesn't seem to have anything about him

[no balls]

Well said bgoefc. I have a conundrum, my MP is up for re-election and very good he is too is deputy speaker Lyndsay Hoyle. Unfortunately he is Labour.

You lot over the border do have a quandary as he is red but he's a good man. if I were you lot I'd vote for him, won't make a difference to the result. Sadly Bolton central have a terrorist sympathiser who will get in. It's marginals with folk like Hilling where every vote counts.

[Sweep]

was that not sat night

 

YOU TRAF  CWP

  

It was ace.

And Tomski just sat in his pants and watched, like a pervert

[Danny G]

I'm the sane Winchester

 

He is the only reason I'd consider a labour vote

 

I imagine he will win Chorley again and pretty comfortably too - the Tory guy doesn't seem to have anything about him

Same here. No probs at a local level with Labour

[Sweep]

malc, which 20 seats are ukip winning?

 

actually, exileds posts has em winning 1 which i'd reckon is nearer the mark

UKIP won't get anywhere near 20, I heard on the radio the other day they were expecting 4 at the very most.......and that was being massively optimistic, 2 probably is closer to the mark

[MalcolmW]

I reckon Boris would win a landslide

 

He is certainly working well in the marginals.

 

But the press want him in charge in order to unleash their Bonking Boris stories.

[MalcolmW]

I'm the sane Winchester

 

He is the only reason I'd consider a labour vote

 

I imagine he will win Chorley again and pretty comfortably too - the Tory guy doesn't seem to have anything about him

 

The Tories chose their candidate in the hope that their attempt to remove Bercow from the chair. The last thing they needed was for Hoyle to lose. But the plot to change the rules and re-elect the Speaker in the new parliament failed to get voted in.

[magic legs]

Regardless of your political leanings of you have a good MP I think you should vote for them - there can't be that many.

[bgoefc]

UKIP won't get anywhere near 20, I heard on the radio the other day they were expecting 4 at the very most.......and that was being massively optimistic, 2 probably is closer to the mark

yet they will,  probably poll the most votes after the two big parties yet have less mps than 7 other parties. First past the post was shit and always was but the good voting British were duped and persuaded otherwise by  the propaganda ...."keep it the same scaremongering" much as the  Scots were last year.

Edited April 20, 2015 by bgoefc

[Maggie Tate]

yet they will,  probably poll the most votes after the two big parties yet have less mps than 7 other parties. First past the post was shit and always was but the good voting British were duped and persuaded otherwise by  the propaganda ...."keep it the same scaremongering" much as the  Scots were last year.

 

There is nothing much wrong with first past the post and no-one was duped. It's no more wrong than any other system. PR would give UKIP about 60 seats in a fortnight. And the Greens thirty odd more to the point - no-one needs that many cardigans at Westminster. The loony fringe does far too well out of PR.

First past the post at least gives a link between voter and representative which no other system does, which is why good local MPs are respected and re-elected time after time although Westminster and even their parties may be hated. 

[tomski]

After reading all this it's still agreed they are all shite.

[Traf]

After reading all this it's still agreed they are all shite.

 

I don't say much on this one, but yes, your brief summary appears to be correct, as usual.

[mickbrown]

The Tories chose their candidate in the hope that their attempt to remove Bercow from the chair. The last thing they needed was for Hoyle to lose. But the plot to change the rules and re-elect the Speaker in the new parliament failed to get voted in.

 

The look Bercow gave Hague after that was ace.

 

[darwen_white]

There is nothing much wrong with first past the post and no-one was duped. It's no more wrong than any other system. PR would give UKIP about 60 seats in a fortnight. And the Greens thirty odd more to the point - no-one needs that many cardigans at Westminster. The loony fringe does far too well out of PR.

First past the post at least gives a link between voter and representative which no other system does, which is why good local MPs are respected and re-elected time after time although Westminster and even their parties may be hated. 

 

 

But there are a whopping  59 seats up for grabs in Scotland and only 4million voters...

[bgoefc]

But there are a whopping  59 seats up for grabs in Scotland and only 4million voters...

Yep and thats why its shit, my vote is worth 10% of that of a Scotcher!

[Redmond]

The look Bercow gave Hague after that was ace.

 

 

Almost brought a tear to my eye.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBtFR5RkE-s

Edited April 21, 2015 by Redmond

[Guest]

Yep and thats why its shit, my vote is worth 10% of that of a Scotcher!

Not really. If you're in a marginal seat your vote could be worth infinitely more than if you aren't. But that is the system.

 

Imperfect but under PR say, which party will bother sticking up for rural communities like the Lib Dems are doing today? Nobody would bother and thus they'd have less of a voice or no voice at all. As much as PR and everyone having an equal say sounds great it loses the local link and also means that large cities dominate the electoral landscape and politicians priorities even more than they do now.

[Maggie Tate]

But there are a whopping 59 seats up for grabs in Scotland and only 4million voters...

Which leads onto the biggest problem and the solution to it which is to redraw the boundaries so that every seat is the same size in terms of population. It could even be revised before each election to reflect changing demographics. Why should Labour get almost 280 ish seats from tiny constituencies in Glasgow, Manchester, Newcastle etc when the entire English and Welsh countryside gets far fewer seats in voting Tory?

[Pablo]

Tory/SDP coalition.

 

Cameron will not campaign against Scottish independence.

 

Scotland win independence and leave the UK

 

Labour Party wither & die.

 

Tory win 2020 by landslide

[mickbrown]

Which leads onto the biggest problem and the solution to it which is to redraw the boundaries so that every seat is the same size in terms of population. It could even be revised before each election to reflect changing demographics. Why should Labour get almost 280 ish seats from tiny constituencies in Glasgow, Manchester, Newcastle etc when the entire English and Welsh countryside gets far fewer seats in voting Tory?

 

Because a shitload of people live in Glasgow, Manchester, Newcastle etc. in comparison to rural England and Wales

 

If you look at the populations of constituencies as they are now they are pretty much similar in terms of population. There are some discrepencies but overall pretty similar.

 

The Scottish example above works out at 67,000 ish people per seat. - which is pretty similar to the rest of the country.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Kingdom_Parliament_constituencies

[Redmond]

Tory/SDP coalition.

 

Cameron will not campaign against Scottish independence.

 

Scotland win independence and leave the UK

 

Labour Party wither & die.

 

Tory win 2020 by landslide

 

Who are the SDP?

[tomski]

Who are the SDP?

scouse deficating pensioners society Edited April 21, 2015 by tomski

[Whites man]

Tory/SDP coalition.

 

Cameron will not campaign against Scottish independence.

 

Scotland win independence and leave the UK

 

Labour Party wither & die.

 

Tory win 2020 by landslide

 

Given their full title is the Conservative and Unionist Party they are not going to support, even tacitly, Scottish independence even if it gives them a thumping majority in what is left of the UK.