All getting a bit silly now.

 

Not sure what the answer is.

 

Must be really shit where they're coming from that's for sure.

Will be fine in a few months when brexit kicks in and we can start booting them all out.

Stopping them coming in the country in first place is the answer.

Edited October 18, 20169 yr by Mounts Kipper

Keep the buggers there

Keep the buggers there

Stopping them coming in the country in first place is the answer.

 

 

Stopping them leaving the Middle East on death trap boats is the real answer.

 

If these do gooder fuckwits who would let them all in just realised this, the world would be a better place. Their well meaning but fatally flawed 'open arms generosity' actually encourages the poor fuckers to take the risk. I hope said do gooders feel content with this.

 

I saw one stupid (British) bitch on Sky News this morning skriking over the 'inhumane' conditions in Calais and saying they should all be immediately accepted. Besides the brain dead stupidity of these 'refugee advocates' with absolutely no concept of the evil they could be importing, I wonder if she thinks the streets of Aleppo are more humane?

These 14 little cherubs don't seem to be starving defenceless souls the charities and Lily Allen told us about.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/17/from-the-calais-jungle-to-croydon-migrant-children-arrive-in-bri/

 

Which one will be living with Yvette Cooper?

Which one will be living with Yvette Cooper?

 

Ed Balls.

the streets of Aleppo are more humane?

The streets of Aleppo that they'd stay on if we'd only stop encouraging them getting on the boats?

Well further back than that if you like Casino. The point I'm trying to make is that 'the left' is continually blamed for all manner of ills despite not having been in charge (in this country at least) for decades.

There is a reason for that ;-)

There is a reason for that ;-)

The slow metamorphosis into Douglas Murray continues.......

The slow metamorphosis into Douglas Murray continues.......

Yup - that's right, all centreists are the new neoconservatives.

 

For what its worth, I disagree with both you and Bolty.

 

My particular political persuasion of centre left (or Ethical Socialism I suppose you could call it) is utterly out of favour at the moment, being pulled apart by both the manic loons of the right (people like Davies, Redwood, Fox) who Bolty thinks are just speaking direct common sense, and the righteous moral indignation of the new (old, Bennite) left, headed by a man who is even more dangerous because he's incompetent and essentially a front man for greater tribal loyalties who have been waiting since Kinnock started to move the party towards the centre ground, and away from fringe politics that only a small % of the population actually care about (hence why no far left wing party has ever been in power) to claim that the party is only theirs theirs (it never was). These lot should have been put out to grass for what they did to Callaghan, never mind repeating the trick now to a new generation who thing this represents change. Being a Bennite is a romantic ideal that serves up a thousand great quotes, but would never serve a thousand mouths.

 

The Labour party are going to be utterly annihilated at the next election, it will smash into a thousand pieces - and who is going to be there to pick it up? It leaves an unbridled Conservative party with no checks and balances (not good for anyone - except Bolty who seems to think we'd all be better in a totalitarian state - as long as the donkey has a blue rosette) that still struggles to hold itself together given the divisions between the one nation folk and the right of the party.

 

Glib asides about anyone that dares to even question what is being done to the Labour party about becoming a Red Tory, just show how out of step this 'movement' is with the majority of the population.

 

I went to a talk yesterday by a bloke called Mike Emmerich who was the Chief Executive of New Economy in Manchester which played a key role in setting up devolving Gtr Manchester from centralised control. It was interesting to hear him echo some of these points about more splintered politics, that the local will be more important than the national, and that the rupture we are now seeing is societal first, political second which is why the traditional parties, not just in Britain but globally in the West, are struggling to get an understanding of what it means to plot a future course both for their countries and for their parties.

 

So yes, I'm angry at the moment. I'm angry at momentum who believe they alone speak for the Labour party, despite history showing them this is simply not the case, and for any disagreement to be shut down with howls of neoliberalism warmonger nonsense, whilst the leadership maintains silence as Russia kills thousands of innocent people. And I'm also angry that the conservatives for having the arrogance in dragging he country into a referendum they didn't think it could lose whilst we all watched a play for power unfold before our eyes. 

 

In short, I bit - but I'm glad I did, as it was most cathartic!

You're beautiful when you're angry.

Yup - that's right, all centreists are the new neoconservatives.

 

For what its worth, I disagree with both you and Bolty.

 

My particular political persuasion of centre left (or Ethical Socialism I suppose you could call it) is utterly out of favour at the moment, being pulled apart by both the manic loons of the right (people like Davies, Redwood, Fox) who Bolty thinks are just speaking direct common sense, and the righteous moral indignation of the new (old, Bennite) left, headed by a man who is even more dangerous because he's incompetent and essentially a front man for greater tribal loyalties who have been waiting since Kinnock started to move the party towards the centre ground, and away from fringe politics that only a small % of the population actually care about (hence why no far left wing party has ever been in power) to claim that the party is only theirs theirs (it never was). These lot should have been put out to grass for what they did to Callaghan, never mind repeating the trick now to a new generation who thing this represents change. Being a Bennite is a romantic ideal that serves up a thousand great quotes, but would never serve a thousand mouths.

 

The Labour party are going to be utterly annihilated at the next election, it will smash into a thousand pieces - and who is going to be there to pick it up? It leaves an unbridled Conservative party with no checks and balances (not good for anyone - except Bolty who seems to think we'd all be better in a totalitarian state - as long as the donkey has a blue rosette) that still struggles to hold itself together given the divisions between the one nation folk and the right of the party.

 

Glib asides about anyone that dares to even question what is being done to the Labour party about becoming a Red Tory, just show how out of step this 'movement' is with the majority of the population.

 

I went to a talk yesterday by a bloke called Mike Emmerich who was the Chief Executive of New Economy in Manchester which played a key role in setting up devolving Gtr Manchester from centralised control. It was interesting to hear him echo some of these points about more splintered politics, that the local will be more important than the national, and that the rupture we are now seeing is societal first, political second which is why the traditional parties, not just in Britain but globally in the West, are struggling to get an understanding of what it means to plot a future course both for their countries and for their parties.

 

So yes, I'm angry at the moment. I'm angry at momentum who believe they alone speak for the Labour party, despite history showing them this is simply not the case, and for any disagreement to be shut down with howls of neoliberalism warmonger nonsense, whilst the leadership maintains silence as Russia kills thousands of innocent people. And I'm also angry that the conservatives for having the arrogance in dragging he country into a referendum they didn't think it could lose whilst we all watched a play for power unfold before our eyes. 

 

In short, I bit - but I'm glad I did, as it was most cathartic!

 

Does this mean you will still sing "The Red Flag"  or has that been claimed by Momentum? 

Does this mean you will still sing "The Red Flag" or has that been claimed by Momentum?

Incidentally - Momentum put their own numbers on membership at around 20,000.

 

Jeremy Corbyn won the most recent leadership election with 313,000 votes.

 

This idea that Momentum are influencing the voting habits of all but a small minority of Labour voters is bollocks in my opinion.

 

They are given an awful lot of media attention - but from personal experience - I've never had any dealings with anybody involved in the organisation. That's despite being a public sector worker, who's in a union, a Labour Party member and at University. You'd think I'd be a prime target for their Trotskyite propaganda - but lo and behold - I've not heard a squeak. And as far as I'm aware - neither has anybody I know.

 

Maybe they're more active down South or something?

You're beautiful when you're angry.

You always say the sweetest things.

Does this mean you will still sing "The Red Flag"  or has that been claimed by Momentum? 

Can't say I've ever sung it and was happy when it got binned at Party Conferences as it turns the electorate right off.

 

As for the Momentum movement, it does seem to be a more urban, young movement of middle-class white folks - although that's just anecdotal to my situation where I work. Be interesting to see the demographics of the Momentum lot.

Can't say I've ever sung it and was happy when it got binned at Party Conferences as it turns the electorate right off.

 

As for the Momentum movement, it does seem to be a more urban, young movement of middle-class white folks - although that's just anecdotal to my situation where I work. Be interesting to see the demographics of the Momentum lot.

 so you're not aware of Barbara Ntumy? Barnsley's finest, now resident in London, and fairly dark for a Ghanaian?

Can't say I've ever sung it and was happy when it got binned at Party Conferences as it turns the electorate right off.

 

As for the Momentum movement, it does seem to be a more urban, young movement of middle-class white folks - although that's just anecdotal to my situation where I work. Be interesting to see the demographics of the Momentum lot.

I was saying the same thing about 'the Red Flag' the other day. It's cringeworthy. That and calling each other comrade!

I've just seen photos of these children. Fuck me, what've they been sleeping in at Calais jungle, grow bags.

Bullshit!

I've just seen photos of these children. Fuck me, what've they been sleeping in at Calais jungle, grow bags.

Bullshit!

The two I saw this morning could go straight into a World XV rugby front row! 

 

Someone is really taking the piss!

The two I saw this morning could go straight into a World XV rugby front row!

 

Someone is really taking the piss!

Hmmm

 

http://trib.al/nd6HsiI

It's shocking how the ravages of war have prematurely aged these poor kids. My heart goes out to them, it really does.

 

Please tell me the bloke on the linked video, maroon hoodie, balding with a permanent five o'clock shadow isn't meant to be a kid, if he's a day under thirty I'd eat my hat.

You're irrational when you're angry.

 

Corrected free of charge

Corrected free of charge

Nothing irrational in my post, cobber.

Hmmm

 

http://trib.al/nd6HsiI

 

Apparently Sweden thought this mon was 14.

 

 

Saad Alsaud (left frame, center), an unaccompanied "child refugee," is pictured in 2012, when he was reported to be Sweden's fastest "14-year-old". In 2011, a newspaper reporter from Malmö shared a teddy bear and some laughs with "16-year-old" Ahmad Farid (right frame), an unaccompanied "child refugee" from Afghanistan.

 

They look noncey too.

Apparently Sweden thought this mon was 14.

 

 

Saad Alsaud (left frame, center), an unaccompanied "child refugee," is pictured in 2012, when he was reported to be Sweden's fastest "14-year-old". In 2011, a newspaper reporter from Malmö shared a teddy bear and some laughs with "16-year-old" Ahmad Farid (right frame), an unaccompanied "child refugee" from Afghanistan.

 

 

I did read that there was a marked difference in the spread of (claimed) ages between Afghan refugees in Norway and Sweden.

It was because Sweden allowed children to then bring in other members of their family. So 18 year-olds claimed to be 14 to gain maximum leeway.

While readily accepting that children from Calais should be accommodated I can't see any reason at all why they shouldn't begin with those seeming to be under secondary school age, but including proven siblings, and then extending towards 16, year by year.

Starting at 40 and working down is bound to end in tears, not least for the 9 year-olds left behind.