Nfl

[enzo gambaro]

Can't see Franks Sheila's stopping the Pats but it would be nice to have a GBP v PS showdown at the big dance from a WWays perspective.

 

Clip the wings of the Falcons and Rodgers can show Brady what a great QB really is (assuming Big Ben gets bonged) .

I'm struggling to see the Pack D keeping Ryan off the field. It's going to be a shoot-out.

[gonzo]

Watched that last night. Loved it and great for a Sunday night. Still no idea on what's going on mind.

 

What's the flag thing all about? Green Bay scored and just as they did some dude lobbed a flag on the pitch.

[frank_spencer]

Watched that last night. Loved it and great for a Sunday night. Still no idea on what's going on mind.

 

What's the flag thing all about? Green Bay scored and just as they did some dude lobbed a flag on the pitch.

The idea is that they spot a foul and lob the flag, then if the fouled against team gains an advantage then they can ignore the foul.

Aaron Rodgers the Green Bay quarterback uses the advantage rule quite well by getting the defenders to come offside then use the 'free play' to lob the ball down field as the worst thing that can happen is that he gets another go with the play.

[enzo gambaro]

Watched that last night. Loved it and great for a Sunday night. Still no idea on what's going on mind.

 

What's the flag thing all about? Green Bay scored and just as they did some dude lobbed a flag on the pitch.

Right at the end?

 

Dallas used their last time-out to 'ice' the kicker - basically a bit of gamesmanship to test his nerve and make him win the game a second time (thought it had worked last night for a second, too).

 

It can backfire, though - I've seen coaches throw the flag on missed field goals to present the kicking team with a second chance.

[bolty58]

I'm struggling to see the Pack D keeping Ryan off the field. It's going to be a shoot-out.

 

True but many predicted that Prescott/Elliott would be too big a hill to climb.

 

This is the Packers - not your ordinary NFL franchise. History drives them on and I am starting to sense another notch on the Titletown bedpost.

[enzo gambaro]

I hope you're right, of course.

However, Dallas were 23rd in the league for passing and should really have got it done the other night.

 

The Falcons were 3rd and Matt Ryan threw more regular season yards than Aaron.

 

And they were 5th running the ball.

 

I think they're a much tougher proposition than the Giants or the Cowboys.

[bolty58]

The Falcons are very good, no doubt (been a staple betting medium for me this season with almost faultless results).

 

As a long term Packer fan, I just know that the hunger for titles in Green Bay, Wisconsin takes on almost mystical proportions when they get this close although I am concerned about how banged up some key players are at the moment.

 

In Rodgers we trust. Hopefully, his excellence will be enough to get it done.

[bolty58]

Watched that last night. Loved it and great for a Sunday night. Still no idea on what's going on mind.

 

What's the flag thing all about? Green Bay scored and just as they did some dude lobbed a flag on the pitch.

 

 

Gonzo, surely you get the simple concept of gaining ten yards over four attempts? I admit things like neutral zone infractions and the like can appear to be a bit complex but they really aren't (trust me, I was flagged a few times for that during my all too brief career!).

 

Constant tweaking of the rules on such things as what is a good reception and what isn't does make that part of the game seem complex but the rest is pretty simple stuff (scoring - TD's, PAT's, FG's and Safety's).

 

If I could learn the game, you Mastermind types must be able to?

[gonzo]

Gonzo, surely you get the simple concept of gaining ten yards over four attempts? I admit things like neutral zone infractions and the like can appear to be a bit complex but they really aren't (trust me, I was flagged a few times for that during my all too brief career!).

 

Constant tweaking of the rules on such things as what is a good reception and what isn't does make that part of the game seem complex but the rest is pretty simple stuff (scoring - TD's, PAT's, FG's and Safety's).

 

If I could learn the game, you Mastermind types must be able to?

I've watched about 3 NFL games in my life. All about 3 years apart.

 

There was a try ( ) scored and some dude threw a flag on in the build up. Wasn't sure what it meant as there was no explanation and the points stood afterwards.

 

My apologies for asking.

[mickbrown]

Thought I'd give it another go -  watched the highlights the other day.

 

Each to his own, but I still think It's still a load of old hairy bollox.

[frank_spencer]

I've watched about 3 NFL games in my life. All about 3 years apart.

 

There was a try ( ) scored and some dude threw a flag on in the build up. Wasn't sure what it meant as there was no explanation and the points stood afterwards.

 

My apologies for asking.

Sometimes if one of the officials thinks they've seen something they'll throw a flag. After the play is over the officials will discuss the foul and if there hasn't been a foul they'll ignore it.

If a touchdown has been scored then quite often a foul against the defence is declined by the scoring team but the announcement gets lost in the celebrations and replays

[enzo gambaro]

I've watched about 3 NFL games in my life. All about 3 years apart.

 

There was a try ( ) scored and some dude threw a flag on in the build up. Wasn't sure what it meant as there was no explanation and the points stood afterwards.

There was a flag on the first Green Bay touchdown. A Dallas player was offside (crossed the line of scrimmage before the ball was in play). That meant Green Bay had a risk-free go - the quarterback was able to throw downfield knowing that if the ball was intercepted it wouldn't count. They scored a touchdown off that play, so the officials effectively played the advantage.

[gonzo]

There was a flag on the first Green Bay touchdown. A Dallas player was offside (crossed the line of scrimmage before the ball was in play). That meant Green Bay had a risk-free go - the quarterback was able to throw downfield knowing that if the ball was intercepted it wouldn't count. They scored a touchdown off that play, so the officials effectively played the advantage.

An informed response without a hint of sarcasm and condescending undertones?

 

Well stone me.

[enzo gambaro]

Well stoned, me.

[frank_spencer]

An informed response without a hint of sarcasm and condescending undertones?

 

Well stone me.

If you do want to follow the NFL at the start of each season Sky normally do a 'rookie day' where they explain the rules in more depth than usual, it helped me understand more what all the oddities were.

The punditry at sky is very good with the balance of coaches, ex players and Neil Reynolds playing the role of the british fan.

I miss the old team of mates with Cecil Martin and Kevin Cadle, but this crew are a lot more informative.

It's so much better than the usual football coverage filled with cliché and nonsense.

[Zico]

I'm with Gonzo

 

I'm getting better at it, but there is still loads I've not got to grips yet

 

as I've said before, it's akin to watching University Challenge, most of the time it's just noise but every now again I get it

 

10 yards or more is the obvious bit

 

but once the ball is thrown to the quarterback, I don't know where to look to suss out what is going on in terms of tactics / plays

 

tried watching everyone bar the quaterback and realised it's not as much as a grapple as I previously thought half the time as they just pat each other off rather than proper scrap

 

and when a player catches it in space I just think "why didn't someone follow him" as they all "clearly" have a man to go after

 

next thing to understand is when it's better to go for a FG rather than a TD

 

I'm still not capable of watching a game from start to finish, watching more highlights though on the app, as I just get drawn in and want to appreciate it more

 

maybe if I hadn't "picked" a shit team like the Bills things would be different but can't change now

[frank_spencer]

I'm with Gonzo

 

I'm getting better at it, but there is still loads I've not got to grips yet

 

as I've said before, it's akin to watching University Challenge, most of the time it's just noise but every now again I get it

 

10 yards or more is the obvious bit

 

but once the ball is thrown to the quarterback, I don't know where to look to suss out what is going on in terms of tactics / plays

 

tried watching everyone bar the quaterback and realised it's not as much as a grapple as I previously thought half the time as they just pat each other off rather than proper scrap

 

and when a player catches it in space I just think "why didn't someone follow him" as they all "clearly" have a man to go after

 

next thing to understand is when it's better to go for a FG rather than a TD

 

I'm still not capable of watching a game from start to finish, watching more highlights though on the app, as I just get drawn in and want to appreciate it more

 

maybe if I hadn't "picked" a shit team like the Bills things would be different but can't change now

Once the reciever has run past 5yds the defender can't really grapple with him til he's caught the ball.

 

As for the why didnt someone follow him question unless the defender has just got left behind, teams will play a mixture of man to man and zonal coverage, so the receiver can get himself between the defenders.

 

I started watching in 2009 after being unable to sleep on our honeymoon and watching highlights on ESPN, and i still get baffled by it at times.

[bolty58]

I've watched about 3 NFL games in my life. All about 3 years apart.

 

There was a try ( ) scored and some dude threw a flag on in the build up. Wasn't sure what it meant as there was no explanation and the points stood afterwards.

 

My apologies for asking.

 

 

You don't reach your level of genius without asking questions oh great one.

 

Never apologise for asking them. I was genuinely trying to be helpful but we limited types often struggle to get our point across.

[bolty58]

An informed response without a hint of sarcasm and condescending undertones? ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION OF THAT. YOU WILL KNOW WHEN I AM BEING CONDESCENDING. I WILL CALL YOU 'SONNY'.     

 

Well stone me. MOVE TO AL- RAQQAH IF YOU WANT THAT KIND OF SEXUAL EXPERIENCE.

 

 

Not shouting, just differentiating.

Edited January 18, 2017 by bolty58

[bolty58]

 

 

next thing to understand is when it's better to go for a FG rather than a TD. 

 

 

 

 

Various reasons for this. Often it can be time related. For example, if a team is 11 points down with not long to go and they are at, say, 4th down and 5 to go, as it is a two score game to draw level, they may as well take the 'gimme' 3 points now rather than a risky run or pass and then try an on side kick to attempt to recover the ball and if successful, try to score a TD followed by a 2 point conversion.

 

A team could be out of time outs close to the half time break and take a (virtually) guaranteed 3 points rather than a risky pass or run which may not get out of bounds to stop the clock.

 

There are other scenarios where it would make sense to go for the FG too.

Edited January 18, 2017 by bolty58

[enzo gambaro]

There are other scenarios where it would make sense to go for the FG too.

The most obvious being when a team has had three out of four goes at moving the ball ten yards and opts to kick on their fourth go (field goal if close enough, punt up the other end if not) rather than failing again and allowing the opposition to start their possession with good field position.

[bolty58]

The most obvious being when a team has had three out of four goes at moving the ball ten yards and opts to kick on their fourth go (field goal if close enough, punt up the other end if not) rather than failing again and allowing the opposition to start their possession with good field position.

 

 

Correct sir. I was avoiding the obvious as I thought the intelligentsia may just punt it as it was beneath them (see what I did there?)

[gonzo]

Correct sir. I was avoiding the obvious as I thought the intelligentsia may just punt it as it was beneath them (see what I did there?)

Even in a harmless thread with casual chat about a non offensive subject matter you just can't help coming across as a complete and utter bell end can you bolty?

 

Quite impressive really.

[Spider]

I just like the shiny helmets on the big lads.

[gonzo]

Green Bay Atlanta on sky mix again for us peasants without sky sports ????????

 

Thats if us mastermind types are allowed to watch it.