Right, there's been plenty of discussion on here about cuts to public spending etc.

Not wanting to expand into all that, but this is now a massive concern.

 

As much as labour appear unelectable, if the Tories don't start to act quickly I can see this growing into a potential election loser for them, or at least a continued low majority.

 

Should immediate money be found (from overseas aid maybe) or leave it as it is?

 

Interested in everyone's views.

it will be all right, insurance is the way to go

It's not just a case of Chucking money at the NHS that's need but massive improvements to the way the money is spent.

Apparently the tories are giving more money than ever to the NHS but health trusts are now running at a loss compared to a surplus when the tories took over.

 

The NHS shouldn't be about making money but making the population well.

The fact hospitals have to raise funds by charging for parking (a practice started under labour) is ridiculous. Nobody is at the hospital for the lols

Unfortunately my old fella had a heart attack on Xmas day

 

Thankfully he's well on the mend now but it was a scary time

 

He spent 5 nights in the Bolton Royal (Farnworth Hilton as he called it), starting in A&E then the Coronary Care unit

 

I have to admit they were fantastic, looked after him and operated on him within a couple of days. We couldn't thank them enough for the way they handled it

 

One of the consultants in A&E was telling us that the NHS is close to collapse and Jeremy Hunt is killing it. It didn't seem that way from the experience we had but I guess getting rushed in on an ambulance with a heart attack puts you at the top of the list

 

Not sure where I stand on all this, going through all that makes you realise how precious the NHS is. However the pragmatist in me thinks it's a ticking time bomb.

 

The population is ageing at an alarming rate, because we are getting older we are requiring more and more care. The Mrs Nan is just in getting an new Hip for example. As the population gets older and older we will need more and more of these sorts of procedures. It will continue to get worse and worse. Not sure what the answer is but if it's higher taxes then I'm not comfortable with it, I'm sick to the back teeth of our ridiculous tax system as it is.

 

It's a really tough one though

Edited January 11, 20179 yr by birch-chorley

It's not just a case of Chucking money at the NHS that's need but massive improvements to the way the money is spent.

Apparently the tories are giving more money than ever to the NHS but health trusts are now running at a loss compared to a surplus when the tories took over.

 

The NHS shouldn't be about making money but making the population well.

The fact hospitals have to raise funds by charging for parking (a practice started under labour) is ridiculous. Nobody is at the hospital for the lols

 

Much as I resent paying for parking at hospitals, it is right as otherwise the cost would come out of funds needed for care.

It's not just a case of Chucking money at the NHS that's need but massive improvements to the way the money is spent.

Apparently the tories are giving more money than ever to the NHS but health trusts are now running at a loss compared to a surplus when the tories took over.

The NHS shouldn't be about making money but making the population well.

The fact hospitals have to raise funds by charging for parking (a practice started under labour) is ridiculous. Nobody is at the hospital for the lols

A senior NHS official just been on saying in a year or two, spending per person will go down. Obviously statistics can be used by both sides, and there are obviously some silly contracts out there, but ultimately, the service is in crisis, and needs addressing now.

My lad was born at bolton royal despite at the time us living less than a mile from Fairfield Hospital and it's perfectly good closed maternity ward sat there doing nothing.

The majority of the medical staff at RBH were superb

Much as I resent paying for parking at hospitals, it is right as otherwise the cost would come out of funds needed for care.

Other than sweeping the car park what costs are there for the parking especially at bolton or fairfield?

The withdrawal of social care funding is the underlying reason the NHS is failing. If there is nowhere for patients to be discharged to or the support when they go home then they block NHS beds which then results with patients on trolleys waiting for beds, which then results in A&E blockages.

 

The Tory's are setting the NHS up to fail so it can be handed over to private companies (Conservative Party supporters) which will result in a two tier health service. We all have to stand up for the NHS because if it goes we will never get it back.

I agree that the Tories aren't getting across their message very well

 

 

And it might be good to repatriate some foreign aid

Edited January 11, 20179 yr by boltondiver

The withdrawal of social care funding is the underlying reason the NHS is failing. If there is nowhere for patients to be discharged to or the support when they go home then they block NHS beds which then results with patients on trolleys waiting for beds, which then results in A&E blockages.

 

The Tory's are setting the NHS up to fail so it can be handed over to private companies (Conservative Party supporters) which will result in a two tier health service. We all have to stand up for the NHS because if it goes we will never get it back.

The withdrawal of social care funding is the underlying reason the NHS is failing. If there is nowhere for patients to be discharged to or the support when they go home then they block NHS beds which then results with patients on trolleys waiting for beds, which then results in A&E blockages.

 

The Tory's are setting the NHS up to fail so it can be handed over to private companies (Conservative Party supporters) which will result in a two tier health service. We all have to stand up for the NHS because if it goes we will never get it back.

 

Labour brought in more private companies, though!

Unfortunately my old fella had a heart attack on Xmas day

Thankfully he's well on the mend now but it was a scary time

He spent 5 nights in the Bolton Royal (Farnworth Hilton as he called it), starting in A&E then the Cardiac Care unit

I have to admit they were fantastic, operated on him Worthing a couple of days. We couldn't thank them enough for the way they looked after him.

One of the consultants in A&E was telling us that the NHS is close to collapse and Jeremy Hunt is killing it. It didn't seem that way from the experience we had but I guess getting rushed in on an ambulance with a heart attack puts you at the top of the list

Not sure where I stand on all this, going through all that makes you realise how precious the NHS is. However the pragmatist in me thinks it's a ticking time bomb.

The population is ageing at an alarming rate, because we are getting older we are requiring more and more care. The Mrs Nan is just in getting an new Hip for example. As the population gets older and older we will need more and more of these sorts of procedures. It will continue to get worse and worse. Not sure what the answer is but if it's higher taxes then I'm not comfortable with it, I'm sick to the back teeth of our obscured tax system as it is.

It's a really tough one though

Sorry to hear your old fella had a heart attack Birch but glad to hear he's on the mend mate...hope all goes well in his recovery.

 

Re the NHS , Hunt is indeed killing it and wants replacing but it really is a tough call as who to replace the bellend with.

 

The population isn't just aging but living many more years than our ancestors and will continue to do so, thus creating a bigger burden for the taxpayers.

Like yourself, I'm not sure what the answer is, but Cheese may bale in if I start the racist call and say too many overseas people coming here for free health care aren't helping matters..........

 

I'll get mi fishing rod.

 

 

Hope your dad recovers nicely mate, don't take him to any Wanderers games FFS.

The withdrawal of social care funding is the underlying reason the NHS is failing. If there is nowhere for patients to be discharged to or the support when they go home then they block NHS beds which then results with patients on trolleys waiting for beds, which then results in A&E blockages.

 

The Tory's are setting the NHS up to fail so it can be handed over to private companies (Conservative Party supporters) which will result in a two tier health service. We all have to stand up for the NHS because if it goes we will never get it back.

I honestly think there'd be mass demonstrations and disorder before that happened; its far bigger than the poll tax.

Was disappointed with TMs commments today, and so far I think she's done OK. This could become another brexit-esque kick in the teeth for them.

Too many fuckers who shouldn't be in A + E doesn't help

 

The same wankers are equally responsible for wasting the time of GPs

 

My understanding was that the NHS treats more patients than ever

 

Patient expectations are too fcuking high, also

 

Too many promises made by successive governments

Sorry to hear your old fella had a heart attack Birch but glad to hear he's on the mend mate...hope all goes well in his recovery.

Re the NHS , Hunt is indeed killing it and wants replacing but it really is a tough call as who to replace the bellend with.

The population isn't just aging but living many more years than our ancestors and will continue to do so, thus creating a bigger burden for the taxpayers.

Like yourself, I'm not sure what the answer is, but Cheese may bale in if I start the racist call and say too many overseas people coming here for free health care aren't helping matters..........

I'll get mi fishing rod.

Hope your dad recovers nicely mate, don't take him to any Wanderers games FFS.

Agree. Frankly too much demand, with ageing population and a population which is growing quicker than infrastructure and resources can cope with.

I also can't see any party putting the privatisation of the NHS on its manifesto

 

It's political suicide

Too many fuckers who shouldn't be in A + E doesn't help

The same wankers are equally responsible for wasting the time of GPs

My understanding was that the NHS treats more patients than ever

Patient expectations are too fcuking high, also

Too many promises made by successive governments

True, but more are going because gp services are so stretched and, as we saw here, drop in centre has gone. Once went there because of a big fuck off thorn under a nail. A bit of a wait, but wasn't clogging up a&e.

If I ring my gp in the morning, I can have an appointment tomorrow

 

I'll have to have the gp they allocate me

 

Boo the nasty tories

And the walk in centre didn't get used

If I ring my gp in the morning, I can have an appointment tomorrow

 

I'll have to have the gp they allocate me

 

Boo the nasty tories

Nowt to do with the tories that though more your particular gp surgery.

My GP is the walk in centre/dentist/gp surgery out the back of M&S so quite often the on the day appointments are with the doctors in the walk in centre.

And the walk in centre didn't get used

That's because some bright spark moved it out of the centre, it was well used.

Nowt to do with the tories that though more your particular gp surgery.

My GP is the walk in centre/dentist/gp surgery out the back of M&S so quite often the on the day appointments are with the doctors in the walk in centre.

Aye

 

Point being I'd see any GP so I'd get an appointment

 

If I insist I see my GP then it's a longer wait

 

Then I could moan how long it takes to be seen

I looked after 9 patients today at RBH. 6 were medically fit for discharge and have been for the past couple of days. But we can't let them leave because there is nowhere safe for them to go. Their families can't cope and there are no care home or residential home beds that they qualify for funding for. Meanwhile - A&E is backing up with patients who need a bed on our ward.

 

It's mental and until the social care side of things is sorted out (which isn't part of the NHS) these problems are only going to get worse.

 

The most heartbreaking part of it is seeing how desperate the patients are to leave but having to keep going back to them and saying 'I'm sorry - I know you were supposed to be going today but you're going to have to stay with us for another couple of days' for the third or fourth time. The patients don't understand its not our fault and neither do the families. 'You told my Mother she would be leaving today' is an angry response we get a lot.

 

It's exasperating and exhausting to be honest.

 

I've heard suggestions that the NHS should be given the responsibility for social care as well. This would make a lot of sense to me.

The amount paid to hospitals per patient keeps falling as the Government needs to stretch a static (real terms) budget to meet ever-growing demand. It's partly due to the post-war baby boomers getting to the age where health fails, but also more and better treatments (particularly cancer) which often require ongoing treatment and the new drugs are typically the most expensive. So hospitals aren't being run worse than when they were in surplus, there's just a drop in income which puts them into deficit.

 

I would predict more funding needed just to keep the status quo until the end of the year, much more on top before there's enough to fix the capacity and demand issues including social care facilities.

Labour brought in more private companies, though!

Indeed and saddled it will billions of unsustainable PFI debt too. I actually agree with Fred though, once the animal is out of control it will become unfixale and I'd like to think we should measure our social standards by having good health care.

 

Maybe folk clogging it up through either their own stupidity or not wanting to buy their own paracetamol would help. And mardy arsed who need nowt more than a bandage and bag of ice. But no they want to be dramatic snthey can post on Facebook how they were rushed to A&E with a sprained ankle. Fuck off! If you can't walk on it after a week the aye.

 

Maybe that would help look after those that really need it?