Right, there's been plenty of discussion on here about cuts to public spending etc.

Not wanting to expand into all that, but this is now a massive concern.

 

As much as labour appear unelectable, if the Tories don't start to act quickly I can see this growing into a potential election loser for them, or at least a continued low majority.

 

Should immediate money be found (from overseas aid maybe) or leave it as it is?

 

Interested in everyone's views.

there plenty of people who dont go to their doctors for stuff because they dont want to be a bother or its probably nothing etc. so putting an extra barrier in there is dangerous

 

Seems to work with the dentist and opticians. People need to take responsibility for their own health, with an ageing population and the time bomb that is dementia something has to give. Throwing more money at it will not work.  

That is the problem, the costs for maintaining the NHS is unsustainable. People can shout and scream all they want but the fact is we need to depoliticise the NHS as much as possible and have a proper discussion about what is and isn't affordable going forward.

I think the only way for it to work better in the long term is for additional money to go into it, where it comes from is the hard question

 

I'm not comfortable for tax rates to go up but would be happy to see state retirement age increase further so people are made to contribute for longer through their working lives in order to cover the likely increase in care that they will need

 

Problems will arise though if more and more end up getting signed off sick as they are not fit to work through to the end of their 60's for a variety of health reasons. If you can afford to retire earlier then fair enough but I cant see how we can pay a state pension for anyone in their 60's given the average life expectancy is where it is and increasing all the time

 

We cant maintain a full & free health service on top of decent state pension on the back of the average person working 35 years (20 - 65) paying 20-40% Tax

We need to depoliticise the NHS as much as possible and have a proper discussion about what is and isn't affordable going forward.

In one!

On another thread it was mentioned that people now are less well off than their parents generation, for the first time in ages. Long term that might reflect in longevity.

 

Perhaps, more investment needs to be in social care, and preventative measures.

Kent, you might be able to answer this; as our population rises and housing continues to be an issue, does this resulting increase in population density, allow an increase in illness by easier spreading- bit like the old days, but with lesser diseases.

I think the only way for it to work better in the long term is for additional money to go into it, where it comes from is the hard question

 

I'm not comfortable for tax rates to go up but would be happy to see state retirement age increase further so people are made to contribute for longer through their working lives in order to cover the likely increase in care that they will need

 

Problems will arise though if more and more end up getting signed off sick as they are not fit to work through to the end of their 60's for a variety of health reasons. If you can afford to retire earlier then fair enough but I cant see how we can pay a state pension for anyone in their 60's given the average life expectancy is where it is and increasing all the time

 

We cant maintain a full & free health service on top of decent state pension on the back of the average person working 35 years (20 - 65) paying 20-40% Tax

Are you an accountant?

 

45 years

Are you an accountant?

 

45 years

He was accounting for ten years on here.

On another thread it was mentioned that people now are less well off than their parents generation, for the first time in ages. Long term that might reflect in longevity.

 

Perhaps, more investment needs to be in social care, and preventative measures.

Kent, you might be able to answer this; as our population rises and housing continues to be an issue, does this resulting increase in population density, allow an increase in illness by easier spreading- bit like the old days, but with lesser diseases.

I suppose it depends on how affluent or poor the people living in those areas are. We're lucky in that most of the deadly communicable diseases like TB and smallpox have been largely eradicated in the UK thanks to vaccination. Whether that will continue to be the case with wacko's like Trump telling the world that vaccines cause autism only time will tell. It also depends on whether new strains of diseases which we can't control break out - close proximity doesn't help in an epidemic.

 

Our biggest issue at the moment - and I mean all of us - not just healthcare workers is probably antibiotic resistance. By the time we're all in our 70's and 80's there's a good chance that what are easily managed conditions at the moment. Things like routine operations. urine infections, pneumonia - they will all be real killers again if we don't get anything new to fight them with.

Ha ha

 

Still 45 years with the current average life expectancy at 80

 

That's nearly half our lives not putting in a penny, in fact taking more out in the form of education, pensions elderly care etc

 

With the other half spent putting in 20-40% of salary

 

It just doesn't stack up, we will generally have to work / put in for a larger proportion of our lives if Public spending is to be maintained

An increase in national insurance may be needed, so long as this goes to the healthcare system.

there plenty of people who dont go to their doctors for stuff because they dont want to be a bother or its probably nothing etc. so putting an extra barrier in there is dangerous

thats me

 

​know a bird who works in my doctors

 

​she said we never see you

 

​I said cause I'm never ill

 

​last time I went was for my MOT

I suppose it depends on how affluent or poor the people living in those areas are. We're lucky in that most of the deadly communicable diseases like TB and smallpox have been largely eradicated in the UK thanks to vaccination. Whether that will continue to be the case with wacko's like Trump telling the world that vaccines cause autism only time will tell. It also depends on whether new strains of diseases which we can't control break out - close proximity doesn't help in an epidemic.

 

Our biggest issue at the moment - and I mean all of us - not just healthcare workers is probably antibiotic resistance. By the time we're all in our 70's and 80's there's a good chance that what are easily managed conditions at the moment. Things like routine operations. urine infections, pneumonia - they will all be real killers again if we don't get anything new to fight them with.

According to the stats one of the major contributing factors to the increasing numbers of older people is the fact that male mortality has decreased. As you say though it massively changes depending on where you live.

thats me

 

​know a bird who works in my doctors

 

​she said we never see you

 

​I said cause I'm never ill

 

​last time I went was for my MOT

I think they mean when you walk in as they can't see you from behind the reception desk

An increase in national insurance may be needed, so long as this goes to the healthcare system.

 

Pensioners pay no NI. A Social Care Fund charge, staged over 5 years from 2% to 10%, on all payments other than state pension would help.

fcuking hell

 

if their lifes not worth a tenner

 

What if they can't afford a tenner. Some families are on the breadline and £10 is a lot of money.

 

What we should look at is patients who DNA. I was working in my local GP's yesterday and 129 people had failed to attend last month. 

What if they can't afford a tenner. Some families are on the breadline and £10 is a lot of money.

 

What we should look at is patients who DNA. I was working in my local GP's yesterday and 129 people had failed to attend last month. 

 

How many had died before their appointment?

What if they can't afford a tenner. Some families are on the breadline and £10 is a lot of money.

 

What we should look at is patients who DNA. I was working in my local GP's yesterday and 129 people had failed to attend last month.

Probably in most of their DNA to NGAF. Not their cost not their worry.

What if they can't afford a tenner. Some families are on the breadline and £10 is a lot of money.

 

What we should look at is patients who DNA. I was working in my local GP's yesterday and 129 people had failed to attend last month.

Exactly, people treat appointments with contempt. Basically the world revolves around them and they think they can pick and choose as they like. The excuses you hear are brilliant. My old boas used to say we should give people the price of their hospital stay when they leave but the people you want to be bothered wouldn't be arsed. Massive sense of entitlement with some people. If parents did some basic care with kids like not smoking if they have asthma it would save loads as well. I'd happily see jeremy hunt thrown in a well whilst he sells the nhs off to his mates but that's a different argument. There's very short sighted use of bank staff on the wards rather then upping pay for full time staff as well.

Just on ITN news now...

 

42% rise in 'bed blocking' last year. That's what our Kenneth white was on about today ????

How many had died before their appointment?

Not all of them.

Remember those six patients I told you about the other day? The ones that were medically fit for discharge but unable to leave because there's no social care for them? I was back in work today and not a single one has left. It costs about £900 a day to keep somebody on our ward. So that's £10,800 of NHS money wasted in a couple of days. And it's not the NHS's fault. We've done our bit and got them well enough to leave - there's just nowhere for them to go. It also means that six people who need the beds - can't get the treatment they need in the meantime.

 

Crazy.

Remember those six patients I told you about the other day? The ones that were medically fit for discharge but unable to leave because there's no social care for them? I was back in work today and not a single one has left. It costs about £900 a day to keep somebody on our ward. So that's £10,800 of NHS money wasted in a couple of days. And it's not the NHS's fault. We've done our bit and got them well enough to leave - there's just nowhere for them to go. It also means that six people who need the beds - can't get the treatment they need in the meantime.

 

Crazy.

 

Surely the answer is to offer em £250 a day and ship em to the nearest 5 star hotel?

Edited January 13, 20179 yr by bgoefc

Surely the answer is to offer em £250 a day and ship em to the nearest 5 star hotel?

 

 

Read somewhere that some old dears go on perpetual cruise as it's cheaper than paying for a care home

 

 

 

 

(Meldrew)

Read somewhere that some old dears go on perpetual cruise as it's cheaper than paying for a care home

 

 

I'd rather have a go on Tom Cruise than piss about on a glorified dinghy for a couple of weeks with failed social club singers/swingers as entertainment.

 

 

 

(Meldrew)

Read somewhere that some old dears go on perpetual cruise as it's cheaper than paying for a care home

I do remember a story about an old lass who lived on the QE2 as it was about the same price as a top spec sheltered apartment.

dunno where she went when the scrapped the thing