Politics

[Mounts Kipper]

2 hours ago, Farrelli said:

Fair enough but he responds like he has knowledge when he knows hardly anything. I agree that the blame lies with those who spun this on the leave side and the people who will pay the biggest cost are the poorest in society.

Another supercilious arsehole. 

[Farrelli]

12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Another supercilious arsehole. 

I call it as I see it, your comments were completely ignorant. The first paragraph of the article I posted was all about Westminster not allowing Welsh agencies to have any influence over projects as well as giving much less money. 

[Mounts Kipper]

15 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

I call it as I see it, your comments were completely ignorant. The first paragraph of the article I posted was all about Westminster not allowing Welsh agencies to have any influence over projects as well as giving much less money. 

Your assumptions that I didn’t know are completely unfounded and therefore you’ve jumped to the wrong conclusion. 

My view was that I didn’t want Brussels involved in spending our money.

UK tax should be spent by UK government and the accountability lie solely with our government. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by Mounts Kipper

[Farrelli]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Your assumptions are I didn’t know are completely unfounded and therefore you’ve jumped to the wrong conclusion. 

My view was that I didn’t want Brussels involved in spending our money.

UK tax should be spent by UK government and the accountability lie solely with our government. 

You are just digging a hole for yourself. 

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

You are just digging a hole for yourself. 

Really? Oh well no doubt you’ve jumped to another wrong conclusion.

[Farrelli]

4 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Mounts does realise that as part of the EU, we had a say in where the funding went? The majority of funding is administered in partnership with national and regional authorities as part of the ESI. They don't just go - oh, West Wales looks like it could do with a few Euros. We now have to apply for any funds we'd like - which we will. Also, in light of the news in the last week, what is interesting to note that in England the single largest allocation of funds until 2020 was the prison and probation service. 

Its really basic lack of understanding the simple stuff such as how EU funding works shows time and again what a pandora's box Cameron didn't realise he was opening.

 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Your assumptions are I didn’t know are completely unfounded and therefore you’ve jumped to the wrong conclusion. 

My view was that I didn’t want Brussels involved in spending our money.

UK tax should be spent by UK government and the accountability lie solely with our government. 

Even if UK Government provide less funding and distribute it less fairly?

And we may have been a Net Contributor, but you're completely dismissing the economic benefits of Free Trade with one of the largest (and certainly the closest) Trading Blocs on the planet - in which, as one of the leading members, we had a massive say in how it was run. Now we have no say whatsoever, and massively higher overheads.

[Not in Crawley]

41 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Why do you jump to these unfounded conclusions? Makes you sound like a supercilious arse.. you aren’t the only person who knows this.. although you seem to think you are. You fail to mention we were also nett contributors so we got out less than we put in… I know you know that but not a surprise you don’t mention that. Our government is now accountable for how our taxes are spent, that’s exactly what I wanted and was yet another major reason I voted to leave. 

Because they are facts, and your post above seem to demonstrate that you weren't aware otherwise you wouldn't have written what you did. So, therefore the response wasn't an unfounded conculsion, it was based on what you had written, and here you seemed to have doubled down by using 'net contributors' line which seems to be some way of saying that we'll just put money into the foundation projects, the simplicity of the 'we can just spend the money how we want' fails again to understand how EU funding works. Again I don't blame you, it was one of the key strategies of the leave campaign.

There are plenty of arguments against being part of a larger fedral organisation, but you've not made them yet and moreover whilst there are downsides they don't measure against the benefits equally. Sadly, we didn't have that sort of debate about it at the time, hence why we're were we are.

[Farrelli]

31 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Because they are facts, and your post above seem to demonstrate that you weren't aware otherwise you wouldn't have written what you did. So, therefore the response wasn't an unfounded conculsion, it was based on what you had written, and here you seemed to have doubled down by using 'net contributors' line which seems to be some way of saying that we'll just put money into the foundation projects, the simplicity of the 'we can just spend the money how we want' fails again to understand how EU funding works. Again I don't blame you, it was one of the key strategies of the leave campaign.

There are plenty of arguments against being part of a larger fedral organisation, but you've not made them yet and moreover whilst there are downsides they don't measure against the benefits equally. Sadly, we didn't have that sort of debate about it at the time, hence why we're were we are.

You have more patience than I have👍

[BobyBrno]

Meanwhile in Europe. 
 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

Because they are facts, and your post above seem to demonstrate that you weren't aware otherwise you wouldn't have written what you did. So, therefore the response wasn't an unfounded conculsion, it was based on what you had written, and here you seemed to have doubled down by using 'net contributors' line which seems to be some way of saying that we'll just put money into the foundation projects, the simplicity of the 'we can just spend the money how we want' fails again to understand how EU funding works. Again I don't blame you, it was one of the key strategies of the leave campaign.

There are plenty of arguments against being part of a larger fedral organisation, but you've not made them yet and moreover whilst there are downsides they don't measure against the benefits equally. Sadly, we didn't have that sort of debate about it at the time, hence why we're were we are.

I am very aware of how EU funding for regions works. I prefer our government in control of that spend and accountability for that spend in our hands. I will move on because you think you know what I do or do not know.      

[Not in Crawley]

16 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I am very aware of how EU funding for regions works. I prefer our government in control of that spend and accountability for that spend in our hands. I will move on because you think you know what I do or do not know.      

That's great, I was just responding because your earlier post stated the opposite. 

I've not assumed anything, I don't know you from Adam, I can only respond to what you write on here.

I'd politely suggest that if you don't wish to be somehow misrepresented, then make sure you demonstrate said knowledge instead of posting statements that contradict that. 

An example;

NIC: The sky is made of God's eyeballs.

Mounts: Doesn't NIC know that the sky isn't made out of God Eyeballs?

NIC: Don't presume to suggest what I know or do not know about the sky. I know how it works, it makes you look like a supercilious cunt.

See how folk can misunderstand?

[Not in Crawley]

Also, the first sentence of your post contradicts the second. 

[BobyBrno]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I am very aware of how EU funding for regions works. I prefer our government in control of that spend and accountability for that spend in our hands. I will move on because you think you know what I do or do not know.      

A bit of advice. Any question about Brexit can now be answered quite simply with ‘I feel it in my bones…… ‘

It will save you so much time.

Add to any question and it seems to work, especially with the ‘flagshaggers’

😊

 

[Not in Crawley]

Hey if he feels it in his bones, fine. No one would question someone with true faith.

[BobyBrno]

15 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Hey if he feels it in his bones, fine. No one would question someone with true faith.

Thought it was a song by Wet Wet Wet?

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Thought it was a song by Wet Wet Wet?

New Order.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

New Order.

The Troggs.

[BobyBrno]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

New Order.

😊

 

[Spider]

I responded to a list of “Brexit benefits” the other day by pointing out that the author lied

It works both ways.

In case anyone cares

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

I responded to a list of “Brexit benefits” the other day by pointing out that the author lied

It works both ways.

In case anyone cares

I don't.

And on that tip, Faith No More.

[freds dad]

Christmas gift?

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, freds dad said:

Christmas gift?

Folk should fellow 'his' posts on LinkedIn. Especially if you like half mast trousers.

[BobyBrno]

Just now, Spider said:

I responded to a list of “Brexit benefits” the other day by pointing out that the author lied

It works both ways.

In case anyone cares

He didn’t but I really couldn’t be bothered to go into the details why. If you want to fine but a clue, date of his his first tweet and subsequent changes in EU policy. There were many others. If you’ve got the time to check them, good luck. Many have. 👍

[Spider]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

He didn’t but I really couldn’t be bothered to go into the details why. If you want to fine but a clue, date of his his first tweet and subsequent changes in EU policy. There were many others. If you’ve got the time to check them, good luck. Many have. 👍

So remove it from the list then.

weirdly, I don’t check the date of every tweet in a 14 tweet thread, they usually are “one” tweet that have to become “however many” due to the restrictions.

Either way, round and round we go.