BobyBrno Posted September 10, 2023 Posted September 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Farrelli said: As Stephen Fry said everyone can see brexit has been a disaster but labour have to box clever and that is sensible. Eventually it will be apparent to that we simply can’t afford not to be part of a trading market with our neighbours Because Stephen Fry said? Everyone doesn’t see it as a disaster. The more you look at Europe’s economic woes, the more you realise that statement is wrong. We still have a trading market with our neighbours. Quote
BobyBrno Posted September 10, 2023 Posted September 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Winchester White said: I was surprised to see Neil falling for it as he used to be a decent Journalist but he has gone the way of many others after the dollar. Falling for what? He’s not only decent, he’s the best. IMO. Totally impartial. Where is this debunking evidence? Quote
Cheese Posted September 10, 2023 Posted September 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Falling for what? He’s not only decent, he’s the best. IMO. Totally impartial. Where is this debunking evidence? 😂 Quote
mickbrown Posted September 10, 2023 Posted September 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Falling for what? He’s not only decent, he’s the best. IMO. Totally impartial. Where is this debunking evidence? When he interviews he’s great at playing devil’s advocate But he ain’t impartial by any stretch of the imagination. Quote
royal white Posted September 10, 2023 Posted September 10, 2023 Has it been debunked or are people just telling porkies? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted September 10, 2023 Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, royal white said: Has it been debunked or are people just telling porkies? It’s gone quiet, lot of googling for proof going on. 🤣 Edited September 10, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote
royal white Posted September 10, 2023 Posted September 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: It’s gone quiet, lot of googling for proof going on. 🤣 Thought as much Quote
Winchester White Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 Sorry for spending every waking hour on this forum. Neil is a great at interviewing politicians but impartial he is not. Quote
Spider Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 If the EU is “struggling”, I fail to see how we benefit from that. Our largest trading partner doing less trading. We need everyone to succeed. It’s the only way we can. Sure, it gives a warm feeling in the belly as you slurp down a €2 Fosters and you can snort derisively at the swarthy waiter. But for the grown ups, it’s not great. Quote
Spider Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 And a French bank telling folk to make money on the FTSE - how quickly will that bring the cost of living down? Looking forward to that happening 😊 Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 36 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Sorry for spending every waking hour on this forum. Neil is a great at interviewing politicians but impartial he is not. Is this that the best you can offer on the debunking… 12 hours and you offer that. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Spider said: If the EU is “struggling”, I fail to see how we benefit from that. Our largest trading partner doing less trading. We need everyone to succeed. It’s the only way we can. Sure, it gives a warm feeling in the belly as you slurp down a €2 Fosters and you can snort derisively at the swarthy waiter. But for the grown ups, it’s not great. Nobody wants the EU to struggle, you seem to think that all brexiteers want to see them struggle, most of us have stocks invested in EU based businesses and some folk have property and therefore would prefer a healthy booming economy in the EU zone, you seem to think that brexiteers wear UJ shorts and all head to Benidorm, think your the one who’s slurped to many fosters over in Benidorm and it’s addled your brain. Edited September 11, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Spider Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Nobody wants the EU to struggle, you seem to think that all brexiteers want to see them struggle, most of us have stocks invested in EU based businesses and some folk have property and therefore would prefer a healthy booming economy in the EU zone, you seem to think that brexiteers wear UJ shorts and all head to Benidorm, think your the one who’s slurped to many fosters over in Benidorm and it’s addled your brain. I’ve driven through benidorm once. That was plenty. I won’t be back. So are you saying nobody ever posts about the EU economy on here, especially when there’s a negative angle? Followed usually by comments like “ thank fuck we got out”? If a booming EU economy is preferred, then maybe us leaving has caused instability that you could say isn’t great. Quote
Zico Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Winchester White said: Sorry for spending every waking hour on this forum. Neil is a great at interviewing politicians but impartial he is not. Not their best work, enjoyed the Godfather more Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: More good news. It’s good news, one of the reasons I stated for leaving EU was to achieve a better balanced economy and more manufacturing whether Brexit has helped I dont know but my gut feeling was it would. Anyhow the usuals be searching google to debunk this news as we speak. Edited September 11, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Spider Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 We did the exact same thing in 2020. https://manufacturingdigital.com/smart-manufacturing/uk-manufacturing-now-eighth-largest-world Quote
Spider Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 I will say here that I work in manufacturing, so see all sorts of data on a daily basis. I could go negative and say that we've leapfrogged France because they're performing worse than us. I could go positive and say we're performing better. (For certain, the USA isn't included in these reports for some reason, but would obviously nudge us down a place if they were) Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Winchester White said: Sorry for spending every waking hour on this forum. Neil is a great at interviewing politicians but impartial he is not. One of the remainer arguments was the "reduction" of the London stick exchange as folk moved investments elsewhere. A negative impact on our economy. Now someone suggests invest here and it apparently doesn't count! Bizarre. Not that the service economy is the be all and end all of course, we do need more manufacturing. Like cars for example... Quote
Spider Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 Not easy to find a copy of the MakeUK report. But they're like that, they pester us to become a member most months. No-one in our sector is a member, so dunno how they get hold of our manufacturing numbers. But it's a funny old world. Quote
BobyBrno Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 25 minutes ago, Spider said: Not easy to find a copy of the MakeUK report. But they're like that, they pester us to become a member most months. No-one in our sector is a member, so dunno how they get hold of our manufacturing numbers. But it's a funny old world. Here’s an extended version. Interesting read for a Monday morning. Something for everyone. https://m.pwemag.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/5560/_UK_manufacturing_sector_climbs_to_eighth_in_world_.html Quote
Spider Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Here’s an extended version. Interesting read for a Monday morning. Something for everyone. https://m.pwemag.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/5560/_UK_manufacturing_sector_climbs_to_eighth_in_world_.html I’ve been to Italy (north, they do nothing but steal purses and complain in the south) and their manufacturing sector should be our next target to emulate. Our factories are a long way behind theirs in terms of automation and output. In fact, uk factories buy a large number of their machines from Italy. Whilst it’s good news that we’re outperforming France, that’s the least we should be doing. The Italians do benefit from an enormous amount of EU subsidies for their factories. Any investment we need will now have to come from our government and (for the main part) overseas. Hard slog ahead, but Italy has to be the target, not just bouncing around with the frogs. Quote
BobyBrno Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 40 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: One of the remainer arguments was the "reduction" of the London stick exchange as folk moved investments elsewhere. A negative impact on our economy. Now someone suggests invest here and it apparently doesn't count! Bizarre. Not that the service economy is the be all and end all of course, we do need more manufacturing. Like cars for example... Here you go.😊 Quote
BobyBrno Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Spider said: I’ve been to Italy (north, they do nothing but steal purses and complain in the south) and their manufacturing sector should be our next target to emulate. Our factories are a long way behind theirs in terms of automation and output. In fact, uk factories buy a large number of their machines from Italy. Whilst it’s good news that we’re outperforming France, that’s the least we should be doing. The Italians do benefit from an enormous amount of EU subsidies for their factories. Any investment we need will now have to come from our government and (for the main part) overseas. Hard slog ahead, but Italy has to be the target, not just bouncing around with the frogs. The report does show that the 7th spot is achievable. Quote
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