Politics

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

A competent government would've banned them already

1 post in 😂

[Winchester White]

22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

A remainer moaning about Brexit, is hardly earth shattering and think he’s in a time warp mentioning the common market like the EU is still just that. 

He understands politics. You seem to understand nothing more than soundbites. If I have mistaken your understanding I apologise. 

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

He understands politics. You seem to understand nothing more than soundbites. If I have mistaken your understanding I apologise. 

I’ve listened to the video I don’t see the point you are trying to make by posting it.

I asked what point you were trying to make and you couldn’t or didn’t want to answer.

You can answer my question with a sound bite if you wish so I can understand your answer. 

[Not in Crawley]

44 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Education secretaries... 

7 in the last 5 years...

or 10 in the last 10..

How on earth can that be acceptable, to be chopping and changing that much? 

 

But this has always been the case. It's been nutty since the formation of how our system works. Then again, so are most older Western democracies.

Also, MPs aren't running their departments, the SCS are, and below them the Grade As.

When Labour came into power in 97, there was no professionalisation of any key posts in the Civil Service. They put into place that anyone working in Communications had to have qualifications and experience. The other one was Law.

Ministers come and go, that has always been the way. The way this has been made sure the country doesn't fall apart is the Civil Service, who advise and ensure the beaucracy makes sure things are done.

But this isn't perfect. So many SCS come from Oxbridge, do the entrance exam and then go on the fast track. The issue with this is that you can head up the DCMS for and year and then head up Education, and actually most likely you've done Classics.

So counter this you have advisory experts, but these are selected by the Ministers so that their advice tows the party line the most.

However, if you think this is imperfect, look at the States - the idea that for many senators it's a job for life - way past when they should be holding any office.

So the UK, fast turnaround, semi decent Civil service holding the shop. US leaders are generally old and rich but Congress is staffed by 20 odd year olds.

 

[Not in Crawley]

Also, just to add, some governments don't feel the need for a Cabinet really. Both Cameron and Blair made decisions in small (mostly unelected special adviaors) groups and then told the Cabinet what the line they had to take was.

[Farrelli]

Three word soundbites are best.

Brexit means brexit

building back better

stop the boats

take you pick

 

[Not in Crawley]

3 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Three word soundbites are best.

Brexit means brexit

building back better

stop the boats

take you pick

 

I don't mind them, it's been the same forever, whoever you support. In 1894 Lincoln ran on 'Don't Change Horses Midstream'

Was copied 80 odd years later as well. 

The trick is to make that work for the agenda you wish to push. Everyone, whatever political persuasion buys them

However, with Brexit we were just lied to, and I don't blame anyone for voting for it, because it was just lies and those who were telling them should be blamed, not those who voted to leave.

[Spider]

XL Bulldog sounds like a massive dildo

[Mounts Kipper]

7 hours ago, Farrelli said:

Three word soundbites are best.

Brexit means brexit

building back better

stop the boats

take you pick

 

None of the above played a part in my decision, you seem to think of you can read the minds of the millions who voted to leave, patronising comments as above don’t make your position stronger nor weaken the millions of  Brexiteers argument that there is a better path for the UK outside of the EU project. 

[Farrelli]

8 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

 

You can answer my question with a sound bite if you wish so I can understand your answer. 

United in diversity

[gonzo]

It's 8 people having a pints fault

[RoadRunnerFan]

8 hours ago, Spider said:

XL Bulldog sounds like a massive dildo

Or a Korean fast food favourite

[athywhite1958]

9 hours ago, Spider said:

XL Bulldog sounds like a massive dildo

would it rival the fistmaster 1000?

[Farrelli]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-66773730
 

Here is the real effect of brexit. UK economy is one thing but that is very London centric. Wales used to receive £375m per year on average from the EU for structural funding and community projects. The new shared prosperity fund (UK replacement funding system) delivered £89m in 2022, £153m in year two and has allocated £343m in year three. So Wales is around £540m down over the first three years. Also, who could honestly say that they Trust the Tories to even deliver this?

[Duck Egg]

13 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-66773730
 

Here is the real effect of brexit. UK economy is one thing but that is very London centric. Wales used to receive £375m per year on average from the EU for structural funding and community projects. The new shared prosperity fund (UK replacement funding system) delivered £89m in 2022, £153m in year two and has allocated £343m in year three. So Wales is around £540m down over the first three years. Also, who could honestly say that they Trust the Tories to even deliver this?

And just adds grist to the mill of Welsh independence.  It's not as loud as Scotlands yet but soon will be.

[Traf]

13 hours ago, Farrelli said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-66773730
 

Here is the real effect of brexit. UK economy is one thing but that is very London centric. Wales used to receive £375m per year on average from the EU for structural funding and community projects. The new shared prosperity fund (UK replacement funding system) delivered £89m in 2022, £153m in year two and has allocated £343m in year three. So Wales is around £540m down over the first three years. Also, who could honestly say that they Trust the Tories to even deliver this?

Project Fear.

[Ani]

16 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

None of the above played a part in my decision, you seem to think of you can read the minds of the millions who voted to leave, patronising comments as above don’t make your position stronger nor weaken the millions of  Brexiteers argument that there is a better path for the UK outside of the EU project. 

Mounts simple question has Brexit gone better,worse or how you thought it would so far ?

Understand you can qualify your reply by brining other factors in, but are we where you thought/hoped we would be ?

[Mounts Kipper]

9 hours ago, Ani said:

Mounts simple question has Brexit gone better,worse or how you thought it would so far ?

Understand you can qualify your reply by brining other factors in, but are we where you thought/hoped we would be ?

Its a massive question and I can only briefly mention some of the key factors I voted to leave.

It’s a work in progress but it’s taking longer to get where we need to be on easing of export regulations, the NI situation is beyond a joke even with the new Windsor frame work, however this to me highlights the intransigence of the EU and their inability to show flexibility and compromise and reduce red tape (another reason to leave) , while we use a light touch on imports they won’t reciprocate.

One of the key reasons for me voting to leave was to rebalance our economy and encourage more manufacturing and slowly but surely I think this is beginning to bear fruit…. Admittedly still some way to go.

Freedom of movement simply had to be reversed this has led to many folk with skill sets we require leaving the UK which in the long term is a good thing, we have very little unemployment and companies now are offering apprenticeships to our kids rather than taking the easy option and employing a qualified foreign worker.
 

In summary some thinks better, other areas worse however for me I am fairly happy on the trajectory we are on, just need a couple of terms of excellent government to kick the country forward.
 

Here’s hoping we get that at the next election, the Labour Party have never had a better opportunity to shape the country since they gained power after WW2. 

[Not in Crawley]

 companies now are offering apprenticeships to our kids rather than taking the easy option and employing a qualified foreign worker.

🙄

[Mounts Kipper]

23 hours ago, Farrelli said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-66773730
 

Here is the real effect of brexit. UK economy is one thing but that is very London centric. Wales used to receive £375m per year on average from the EU for structural funding and community projects. The new shared prosperity fund (UK replacement funding system) delivered £89m in 2022, £153m in year two and has allocated £343m in year three. So Wales is around £540m down over the first three years. Also, who could honestly say that they Trust the Tories to even deliver this?

I prefer our government decided what part of the country gets more investment rather than Brussels decide, Wales loss might be the NW gain, it’s vitally important that we control our own finances, and then we get to decide at GE if the incumbent government have done a good job on where they’ve spent and not spent the money. Why do we need Brussels to spend our money for us?  

[Not in Crawley]

Mounts does realise that as part of the EU, we had a say in where the funding went? The majority of funding is administered in partnership with national and regional authorities as part of the ESI. They don't just go - oh, West Wales looks like it could do with a few Euros. We now have to apply for any funds we'd like - which we will. Also, in light of the news in the last week, what is interesting to note that in England the single largest allocation of funds until 2020 was the prison and probation service. 

Its really basic lack of understanding the simple stuff such as how EU funding works shows time and again what a pandora's box Cameron didn't realise he was opening.

[Farrelli]

7 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Mounts does realise that as part of the EU, we had a say in where the funding went? The majority of funding is administered in partnership with national and regional authorities as part of the ESI. They don't just go - oh, West Wales looks like it could do with a few Euros. We now have to apply for any funds we'd like - which we will. Also, in light of the news in the last week, what is interesting to note that in England the single largest allocation of funds until 2020 was the prison and probation service. 

It’s really basic lack of understanding the simple stuff such as how EU funding works shows time and again what a pandora's box Cameron didn't realise he was opening.

Precisely. He never fails to show his complete ignorance. The Welsh government have managed these projects together with the EU. Now Westminster are providing much less funds and much less ownership from the devolved government. 

[Not in Crawley]

56 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Precisely. He never fails to show his complete ignorance. The Welsh government have managed these projects together with the EU. Now Westminster are providing much less funds and much less ownership from the devolved government. 

To be fair to Mounts, how many people do know? Its a bit geeky to be honest. An issue does when these misunderstandings are used to back up why Brexit is good for the country, and why we should have left as it means people double down, which is turn does cause a bit more of that divvision.

As I say I don't blame the people who voted for this, I blame the people who lied to us all.

[Farrelli]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

To be fair to Mounts, how many people do know? Its a bit geeky to be honest. An issue does when these misunderstandings are used to back up why Brexit is good for the country, and why we should have left as it means people double down, which is turn does cause a bit more of that divvision.

As I say I don't blame the people who voted for this, I blame the people who lied to us all.

Fair enough but he responds like he has knowledge when he knows hardly anything. I agree that the blame lies with those who spun this on the leave side and the people who will pay the biggest cost are the poorest in society.

[Mounts Kipper]

3 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Mounts does realise that as part of the EU, we had a say in where the funding went? The majority of funding is administered in partnership with national and regional authorities as part of the ESI. They don't just go - oh, West Wales looks like it could do with a few Euros. We now have to apply for any funds we'd like - which we will. Also, in light of the news in the last week, what is interesting to note that in England the single largest allocation of funds until 2020 was the prison and probation service. 

Its really basic lack of understanding the simple stuff such as how EU funding works shows time and again what a pandora's box Cameron didn't realise he was opening.

Why do you jump to these unfounded conclusions? Makes you sound like a supercilious arse.. you aren’t the only person who knows this.. although you seem to think you are. You fail to mention we were also nett contributors so we got out less than we put in… I know you know that but not a surprise you don’t mention that. Our government is now accountable for how our taxes are spent, that’s exactly what I wanted and was yet another major reason I voted to leave.