Politics

[Sweep]

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Speaks his mind. We need more like him. Hopefully joins up tomorrow.

You're trying too hard now

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

You're trying too hard now

Bit like the bloke at the end of ID who can't let it go, reform party is his only home.

[Sweep]

There's been a little bit of noise about Reform. I wonder if they'll actually win any seats at the GE. 

[Not in Crawley]

23 minutes ago, Sweep said:

There's been a little bit of noise about Reform. I wonder if they'll actually win any seats at the GE. 

They won't even get close. Take a few votes from the Conservatives but that'll be it.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

32 minutes ago, Sweep said:

There's been a little bit of noise about Reform. I wonder if they'll actually win any seats at the GE. 

They'll do to the Tories what UKIP did in previous years

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

They'll do to the Tories what UKIP did in previous years

Drive them even further to the right. Can't see it being a vote winner this time though, seeing as how Brexit is turning out.

[Not in Crawley]

20 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

They'll do to the Tories what UKIP did in previous years

Not so sure, there isn't the wind behind their sails. They'll pick up the Bolty fringe, come third in a few seats possibly but that's about it.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

21 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Not so sure, there isn't the wind behind their sails. They'll pick up the Bolty fringe, come third in a few seats possibly but that's about it.

I meant it in that sense

[bolty58]

9 hours ago, Sweep said:

You're trying too hard now

Not trying at all. 100% with him.

[bolty58]

13 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said:

That’s the nicest thing you’ve ever called me.

I am a river to my people.

[bolty58]

7 hours ago, Sweep said:

There's been a little bit of noise about Reform. I wonder if they'll actually win any seats at the GE. 

Probably not. The system is rigged against them. We need to get away from first past the post to proportional representation if we are ever to escape the tedious duopoly and get everyone's views correctly represented.

If this were to happen, I would expect Reform to be 20-25% of the seats.

[bolty58]

11 hours ago, Spider said:

I’m just pleased you can change your mind. I was beginning to think you were stubborn,

I'm just pleased that you are beginning to think.

[Spider]

4 hours ago, bolty58 said:

I'm just pleased that you are beginning to think.

All thanks to you.

You’ve nurtured my mind into a powerful analytical tool. Just like yours. 🥰

[Not in Crawley]

What the aussie doesn't realise is he's been sold another dupe. Reform is essentially a lobbyist movement, its not even a party, its a limited company.

The reason for the noise above their size is because two of their main spokesmen have a platform above their size on the GB News channel which is just a simply funded propaganda platform by the same people.

The major funder lives in Thailand, one is a director of Tufton Street and one is a lobbyist against climate change - from. GB News to Reform its all interlinked, and at its core deeply undemocratic. No wonder they all love Putin, its Pravda of the neo-Cons.

But as I say, some will swallow anything without question.

[Sweep]

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Probably not. The system is rigged against them. We need to get away from first past the post to proportional representation if we are ever to escape the tedious duopoly and get everyone's views correctly represented.

If this were to happen, I would expect Reform to be 20-25% of the seats.

It was a system you were happy enough with when the Conservative Party walloped everybody last time around

[Casino]

rigged against them!!!

makes it sound like some sort of conspiracy and not just what it always has been

PR gives cranks a voice

[Casino]

this mornings announcement of funding for travel was more tory bullshit

so, what will the money be used for

well, we don't know, itll be for the local people to decide

so, some examples

erm, well we don't know, but erm, junction improvements, resurfacing etc

 

isnt this what shouldve been taking place normally

and its funding spread over 7 years, so id guess none of it will be seen before theyre booted out

[Sweep]

4 minutes ago, Casino said:

this mornings announcement of funding for travel was more tory bullshit

so, what will the money be used for

well, we don't know, itll be for the local people to decide

so, some examples

erm, well we don't know, but erm, junction improvements, resurfacing etc

 

On the news this morning they were interviewing people in Huddersfield - fucking hell, they must have dredged up the most gormless folk they could find. One bloke was hoping the money would pay for a direct rail link to London, another wanted a pot hole on his road fixing 😁

[Not in Crawley]

13 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I meant it in that sense

Ah - see, I don't think they'll actually do as well as UKIP, which admittadly is a low bar in GE.

[Sweep]

51 minutes ago, Casino said:

 

PR gives cranks a voice

Just had a look how PR would have affected the last GE, we'd have probably been in for a hung parliament, although the Lib Dems would have probably got in bed with the Conservatives. I'd assume if we did PR this time around (which obviously we won't) then it'd probably be with the LibDems again to be "king makers"

 

Seats under STV	Difference in Seats from FPTP
Conservative	312	-53
Labour	221	+18
Liberal Democrat	59	+48
Scottish National Party	30	-18
Plaid Cymru	5	+1
Brexit Party	3	+3
Green Party	2	+1
Northern Ireland Parties	18	18
Total	650

 

[Not in Crawley]

There are also decent Conservatives, still. 

The Conservatives need to look at themselves, just as Labour did over the last 4 years, and root out the issues with those on the extreme's of their party who have found themsleves overpromoted to positions they shouldn't hold.

 

 

[Zico]

7 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

There are also decent Conservatives, still. 

The Conservatives need to look at themselves, just as Labour did over the last 4 years, and root out the issues with those on the extreme's of their party who have found themsleves overpromoted to positions they shouldn't hold.

 

 

it's funny that Tories struggle with Islamophobia but are pretty militent when he comes to anti semitism

[Sweep]

Just now, Zico said:

it's funny that Tories struggle with Islamophobia but are pretty militent when he comes to anti semitism

somebody the other day on here, I can't remember who, suggested that a "vote for Labour, is a vote of antisemitism" so presumably that works both ways, and a "vote for the Conservatives, is a vote for Islamophobia" 

[Not in Crawley]

Its just the way of the world, sadly. Those on the more ideological extreme ends of both the Tory and Labour spectrum have certain views than most in the centre find difficult.

Not really difficult to see why. The Left are generally the home of people who are 'oppressed' and of rebellion against the status quo funded by money from Middle East that is opposed to the Western capaitalist rhetoric. So support of Palenstine is a natural place for this.

The Right are generally about tradition and the upholding of a status quo, so support for a right-wing, very well funded by western money country that stands against the Middle East finds a home there.

What both positions allow is hypocricsy on both sides and why it decends in two bald men fighting over a comb, rather than looking at the issues in hand and cuaught in the mix are innocent people getting killed.

[Cheese]

53 minutes ago, Sweep said:

somebody the other day on here, I can't remember who, suggested that a "vote for Labour, is a vote of antisemitism" so presumably that works both ways, and a "vote for the Conservatives, is a vote for Islamophobia" 

It was globaldiver. Though I suspect he would vote for a party whose actual name was The Islamophobia Party.

Edited February 26, 2024 by Cheese