Politics

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

somebody the other day on here, I can't remember who, suggested that a "vote for Labour, is a vote of antisemitism" so presumably that works both ways, and a "vote for the Conservatives, is a vote for Islamophobia" 

 

48 minutes ago, Cheese said:

It was globaldiver. Though I suspect he would vote for a party whose actual name was The Islamophobia Party.

I think he's voting Reform next time

[Traf]

4 hours ago, Zico said:

 

I think he's voting Reform next time

..even if they are a bit liberal.

[Winchester White]

The Tories are the most right wing they have ever been yet they are now not right wing enough for some. Bonkers.

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

The Tories are the most right wing they have ever been yet they are now not right wing enough for some. Bonkers.

Culture wars are aimed at the hard of thinking, and they tend to get results. The dial will be turned up to 11 as soon as the General Election is announced.

 

[frank_spencer]

23 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Culture wars are aimed at the hard of thinking, and they tend to get results. The dial will be turned up to 11 as soon as the General Election is announced.

 

The yanks have been at it for years with the anti-abortion and pro-gun messages dominating republican campaigns.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

35 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

The Tories are the most right wing they have ever been yet they are now not right wing enough for some. Bonkers.

Nah, they're not

[Casino]

22 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Nah, they're not

Ill come back to this

Would you agree some of the language from recent senior members of government wouldnt have been tolerated in the past

 

When would you argue they were more right wing (maybe substitute vile racist scum, for right wing, for the purposes of this question)

[Winchester White]

34 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Nah, they're not

When then?

[DirtySanchez]

34 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Nah, they're not

When were they more right wing?

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

When then?

 

4 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

When were they more right wing?

Id think he may be correct but its the number of scumbags at or near the top thats changed

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

9 minutes ago, Casino said:

Ill come back to this

Would you agree some of the language from recent senior members of government wouldnt have been tolerated in the past

 

When would you argue they were more right wing (maybe substitute vile racist scum, for right wing, for the purposes of this question)

On your first question, not particularly

On the second, we're a far cry from "if you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote Labour" and the Section 28 era

Or the Edwina Currie's suggestion that "good Christian people" don't get aids

And despite the rhetoric, the current party has presided over record net migration figures, supports gay rights, and is on the verge of legalising abortion without term limits

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

On the second, we're a far cry from "if you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote Labour" and the Section 28 era

Only the wording has changed.

[Casino]

3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

On your first question, not particularly

On the second, we're a far cry from "if you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote Labour" and the Section 28 era

Or the Edwina Currie's suggestion that "good Christian people" don't get aids

And despite the rhetoric, the current party has presided over record net migration figures, supports gay rights, and is on the verge of legalising abortion without term limits

Id never heard that but wiki says the tories denied that and anyway, it was hardly coming from the top boys, was it

Currie was clearly pig ignorant

How the tories doing with trans rights?

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Just now, Casino said:

Id never heard that but wiki says the tories denied that and anyway, it was hardly coming from the top boys, was it

Currie was clearly pig ignorant

How the tories doing with trans rights?

The Tory candidate in that election claimed it wasn't a racist slogan and that he "wouldn't condemn" anyone who used it yet he retained the support of the top boys in the party 

Currie was junior Health minister at the time and wasn't sacked

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Thatcher was a prominent supporter of Section 28 and was the leader of the party

[DirtySanchez]

11 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

On your first question, not particularly

On the second, we're a far cry from "if you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote Labour" and the Section 28 era

Or the Edwina Currie's suggestion that "good Christian people" don't get aids

And despite the rhetoric, the current party has presided over record net migration figures, supports gay rights, and is on the verge of legalising abortion without term limits

Are they on the verge of legalising abortion without term limits?

I heard it was suggesting reducing it from 24 weeks to 22

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Are they on the verge of legalising abortion without term limits?

I heard it was suggesting reducing it from 24 weeks to 22

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/23/mps-to-get-free-vote-on-decriminalising-abortion-in-england-and-wales

[Casino]

6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Thatcher was a prominent supporter of Section 28 and was the leader of the party

I did suggest moving away from right wing to racist 😀

Anyway, worst ever or not, the worlds changed, for the better imo, and minority groups shouldnt have to put up with the shit of the 70s and 80s and some of the language needs consigning to history

Imo, anyway

I certainly wouldnt vote for this lot even if i didnt think they were in it for themselves and i should be a tory voter

[DirtySanchez]

6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/23/mps-to-get-free-vote-on-decriminalising-abortion-in-england-and-wales

That sounds like it's a Labour MP leading it and all MPs are allowed a free vote 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, DirtySanchez said:

That sounds like it's a Labour MP leading it and all MPs are allowed a free vote 

It is, but the Tory party at its most right wing wouldn't be allowing a free vote (and probably wouldn't have many MPs who'd vote in favour of the motion)

This month's Health Secretary has confirmed she supports the bill and will vote for it, which would've been inconceivable in the Tory party of twenty to thirty years ago

[Cheese]

10 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It is, but the Tory party at its most right wing wouldn't be allowing a free vote (and probably wouldn't have many MPs who'd vote in favour of the motion)

This month's Health Secretary has confirmed she supports the bill and will vote for it, which would've been inconceivable in the Tory party of twenty to thirty years ago

What utter nonsense.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Just now, Cheese said:

What utter nonsense.

You think a Tory Health Minister would've publicly backed decriminalising abortion thirty years ago?

[DazBob]

30 minutes ago, Casino said:

minority groups shouldnt have to put up with the shit of the 70s and 80s and some of the language needs consigning to history

Imo, anyway

Bed-wetter. 

There was no problem with racism back then.

[Not in Crawley]

9 hours ago, Cheese said:

Only the wording has changed.

Yeah that's semantics he's on about, and you can't compare different timeframes it like that. Society changes, so parties have to, but the ideological core is what we're discussing. Sorry, but because society has moved on doesn't mean a party can't be at its most extreme given the context, reading of political history doesn't work like that.

By all other metrics this is the most rint wing - or rather populist government - we've ever had. And globally we're in a shift from a centrist general consensus post 1945 world to much more polarised authoritarian leaderships in Western democracies which post-war would have been unimaginable - hence why is a very valid position to say this is the most ideologically extreme the Conservatives have been.

Edited February 27, 2024 by Not in Crawley

[kent_white]

We're still alright saying japseye aren't we?