23 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Cheese will not be as honourable on 4th July when Nigel Farage does not become the Prime Minister. He won't be donating 200 quid for the kids when he loses the bet. Snake.

What bet?

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckmmjlkm3e7o.amp

Well, if he retains such opposition to this sort of thing, then it's a good stride in the right direction. 

Can he maintain it though, or will he succumb to pressure/return to the old ways once in?

There is a reason the corbynite mob all left labour and hate Starmer. He’s absolutely ruthless. For me at times he’s been too heavy handed. But if you are on the centre right I really don’t see why anyone would have concern. He’s completely locked up the NEC to ensure the left have no power. Changed rules to freeze them out. Driven out the left wing membership. 
 

I get what he’s done it and understand his ideas but for me at times he’s probably been a bit harsh. 
 

What I don’t get is the idea that Rayner is massively left wing or that she has support to lead the party. She has neither and the next labour leader would be someone from the Starmer side like Streeting or Reeves. 

23 minutes ago, royal white said:

Why wouldn’t you accept the evidence he supplied* not suppled 

I would accept it if it was irrefutable. Like Farage becoming/not becoming Prime Minister after the General Election.

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

I have him on ignore. You can see why.

They use rennet in cheese making don't they? Alphabetically not far from renege. Not that far alphabetically from retard.

Tortured, and frankly shite, wordplay.

 

49 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I would accept it if it was irrefutable. Like Farage becoming/not becoming Prime Minister after the General Election.

You refused any option he mentioned. Just admit you’re a bit of a cunt. A big skriking one at that 

Edited June 26, 20242 yr by royal white

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

You refused any option he mentioned. Just admit you’re a bit of a cunt. A big skriking one at that 

I will when I stop skriking. 😭

17 hours ago, Cheese said:

Farage is going to be Prime Minister in 10 days, and we'll deserve everything that immediately follows.

I genuinely think he'll only just win his own seat. 

I will be staggered if Reform have more than 2 MPs come the 5th July. 

Just now, meanderson93 said:

I genuinely think he'll only just win his own seat. 

I will be staggered if Reform have more than 2 MPs come the 5th July. 

I think a handful more maybe. It’s amazing how many on here are getting worked up about him. Unless is deflection of course. Don’t mention Labour. 😉

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Forget all this monet talk we still need to some banana action  🍌 

build

absolutely

nothing

anywhere

near

anything

 

heard yesterday theres pension funds and investment houses wanting to invest in the economy and its so so slow, so bad getting things through, theyve offered to fund planning departments

10 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

I think a handful more maybe. It’s amazing how many on here are getting worked up about him. Unless is deflection of course. Don’t mention Labour. 😉

Russia comments have hurt Reform in the polls think they will be lowish teens now. 

13 minutes ago, meanderson93 said:

I genuinely think he'll only just win his own seat. 

I will be staggered if Reform have more than 2 MPs come the 5th July. 

 

10 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

I think a handful more maybe. It’s amazing how many on here are getting worked up about him. Unless is deflection of course. Don’t mention Labour. 😉

I think they'll get 3 or 4 seats, I don't think they'll get as many people voting for them as they think they'll get. Maybe 3,000,000 votes across the entire country. 

I have a feeling it'll be a really low turnout this time

1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Russia comments have hurt Reform in the polls think they will be lowish teens now. 

That would be an incredible result for them. Even Tice said if they could get 5 or 6 it would be amazing

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

That would be an incredible result for them. Even Tice said if they could get 5 or 6 it would be amazing

I mean %. Seats wise harder to say. Maybe 2 or 3? Could be more but hard to know distribution. 

7 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I mean %. Seats wise harder to say. Maybe 2 or 3? Could be more but hard to know distribution. 

OK, I thought you'd lost all sense or reality then and thought you were suggesting they'd have more than a handful of seats 😉

28 minutes ago, meanderson93 said:

I genuinely think he'll only just win his own seat. 

I will be staggered if Reform have more than 2 MPs come the 5th July. 

It was not a serious comment. But I genuinely wouldn't be surprised.

So if everyone thinks they will get a handful of seats, (at the most) why is everyone analysing their manifesto and quoting IFS reports on them when, in government terms, they are an irrelevance. As the Rock would say ‘IT DOESN’T MATTER’

Why aren’t people looking at the IFS report on Labour and other reports predicting the same old same. That does matter.

16 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

So if everyone thinks they will get a handful of seats, (at the most) why is everyone analysing their manifesto and quoting IFS reports on them when, in government terms, they are an irrelevance. As the Rock would say ‘IT DOESN’T MATTER’

Why aren’t people looking at the IFS report on Labour and other reports predicting the same old same. That does matter.

"Everyone" isn't looking at anything in detail really. "Everyone" just wants rid of this bunch of corrupt incompetent cunts. I suspect the only thing "everyone" agrees on is that what comes after cannot possibly be any worse, unless....

Edited June 26, 20242 yr by Cheese

11 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

So if everyone thinks they will get a handful of seats, (at the most) why is everyone analysing their manifesto and quoting IFS reports on them when, in government terms, they are an irrelevance. As the Rock would say ‘IT DOESN’T MATTER’

Why aren’t people looking at the IFS report on Labour and other reports predicting the same old same. That does matter.

I’d imagine it’s because labour are iirc promising increases in public spending of something like £12Bn whereas Reform are promising £148Bn increase. So if we are having to make a judgement that all manifestos are flawed and have problems and holes in them it’s about deciding which are remotely feasible and which are complete nonsense.

 

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

"Everyone" isn't looking at anything in detail really. "Everyone" just wants rid of this bunch of corrupt incompetent cunts. I suspect the only thing "everyone" agrees on is that what comes after cannot possibly be any worse.

It actually can be worse. Seriously, it can. We have now got to the point that independent analysts are saying at the best, they are no better. It doesn’t take much to be worse. At the end of the day, James Carville was right.

’Its the economy stupid’

 

 

4 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I’d imagine it’s because labour are iirc promising increases in public spending of something like £12Bn whereas Reform are promising £148Bn increase. So if we are having to make a judgement that all manifestos are flawed and have problems and holes in them it’s about deciding which are remotely feasible and which are complete nonsense.

 

It's not like Farage has got form for "stretching the truth" is it. I agree, the only reason anybody is paying any attention to the Reform Manifesto, is because it is so utterly, utterly ridiculous. We don't need an IFS report to tell us that.

The truth is that anything Farage does, will always come under scrutiny, because he is such a divisive character

As has been said before on this thread, anybody who reads through a manifesto, is a bit weird anyway

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

It actually can be worse. Seriously, it can. We have now got to the point that independent analysts are saying at the best, they are no better. It doesn’t take much to be worse. At the end of the day, James Carville was right.

’Its the economy stupid’

Which is why I added "unless...". But in reality...

 

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Which is why I added "unless...". But in reality...

 

😅

Just now, BobyBrno said:

😅

Good.

How many seats are Galloways workers party looking to get? Probably less votes than reform but more seats?

34 minutes ago, Cheese said:

"Everyone" isn't looking at anything in detail really. "Everyone" just wants rid of this bunch of corrupt incompetent cunts. I suspect the only thing "everyone" agrees on is that what comes after cannot possibly be any worse, unless....

No argument at all about the corruption and incompetence. Many of those responsible have now gone though or will be going. There are many decent Tory politicians. For me, it’s always been about the economy as I referred to in another post. I still think the Tories would be better than Labour though but I guess we’ll never know this time.

I just hope it won’t be a massive majority. It may give the Tories a kicking but it’s not good for democracy.