Politics

[Sweep]

I'm glad to see you still have the original prototype of the Fist master F1000, a proper workhorse. None of the electronics or new fangled cum collection trays and pube tuggers that the modern versions have. I hope you still have all the attachments, if so, it'll be worth a fortune. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

Yep, sadly to make it even worse, we made a collective decision to fuck our farmers over a few years ago as well

I presume you're referring to Brexit.

Which would be erroneous. 

You could argue subsequent deal with the EU isn't as good as it could be (though, as I always said, it won't be as the EU is so stuck in its own ideology, and a deal is only as good as both parties are prepared to make it) but the subsequent payment systems are/were superior to the common agricultural policy beforehand.

The issue is the poor implementation by Defra- the civil service- and it's dinosaur paced administration, together with its ideologically driven, impractical approach. Very typical of government departments. 

Now this government has screwed them over additionally, as we know.

Farage has promised to undo these, which will be good, but he will have separate issues to deal with, if he looks to pursue better trade deals. They may also adversely affect farmers.

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I presume you're referring to Brexit.

Which would be erroneous. 

You could argue subsequent deal with the EU isn't as good as it could be (though, as I always said, it won't be as the EU is so stuck in its own ideology, and a deal is only as good as both parties are prepared to make it) but the subsequent payment systems are/were superior to the common agricultural policy beforehand.

The issue is the poor implementation by Defra- the civil service- and it's dinosaur paced administration, together with its ideologically driven, impractical approach. Very typical of government departments. 

Now this government has screwed them over additionally, as we know.

Farage has promised to undo these, which will be good, but he will have separate issues to deal with, if he looks to pursue better trade deals. They may also adversely affect farmers.

Still clinging on to that "Brexit just wasn't done properly!" thread. Utterly delusional.

[BobyBrno]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Deflection (Bingo!)

Deflection? 🤷‍♂️

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to get my point across. I wouldn’t have bothered otherwise.👍

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Still clinging on to that "Brexit just wasn't done properly!" thread. Utterly delusional.

Chat GPT can answer questions however you want if you load them.

[Spider]

Just now, BobyBrno said:

Deflection? 🤷‍♂️

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to get my point across. I wouldn’t have bothered otherwise.👍

Come on Boby.

Would you raise income tax, leave it or lower it, given the state of the economy after the last few years?

Basic criticism is all well and good but eventually you need to offer an alternative or it just becomes repetitive and empty

[BobyBrno]

Just now, Spider said:

Come on Boby.

Would you raise income tax, leave it or lower it, given the state of the economy after the last few years?

Basic criticism is all well and good but eventually you need to offer an alternative or it just becomes repetitive and empty

Of course I’d raise income tax. I’d also cut public spending by more than I’d raise  in tax. It isn’t difficult unless you’re worried about the polls. Then it becomes political, which, I suspect you haven’t thought about.

[Spider]

11 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Of course I’d raise income tax. I’d also cut public spending by more than I’d raise  in tax. It isn’t difficult unless you’re worried about the polls. Then it becomes political, which, I suspect you haven’t thought about.

Because people like you criticise them at every turn.

If they do what you mention here, you’d continue to do so.

They cannot win with you. I assure you that whatever the budget throws up, you will be straight on here calling it dogshit.

As sure as night follows day.

[Sweep]

23 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I presume you're referring to Brexit.

Which would be erroneous. 

You could argue subsequent deal with the EU isn't as good as it could be (though, as I always said, it won't be as the EU is so stuck in its own ideology, and a deal is only as good as both parties are prepared to make it) but the subsequent payment systems are/were superior to the common agricultural policy beforehand.

The issue is the poor implementation by Defra- the civil service- and it's dinosaur paced administration, together with its ideologically driven, impractical approach. Very typical of government departments. 

Now this government has screwed them over additionally, as we know.

Farage has promised to undo these, which will be good, but he will have separate issues to deal with, if he looks to pursue better trade deals. They may also adversely affect farmers.

Some of the above, but a huge immediate impact was the labour shortage, certainly for seasonal work. For some reason, it was believed that folk from the UK would pick up that slack, which I think anybody with half a brain knew wouldn't happen. 

The government, especially the one who was in charge at the time, was always going to fuck farming off, and this current lot won't help the situation, in fact they might be making it worse. Farage, if he ever gets the top job, won't help them either

 

[Dimron]

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

I need a gate and a fence panel!

Pay for it you tight bugger

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

Yep, sadly to make it even worse, we made a collective decision to fuck our farmers over a few years ago as well

A ptoper socialist labour government would never support land owning farmers, they would have to nationalise them into collectives 

[BobyBrno]

12 minutes ago, Spider said:

Because people like you criticise them at every turn.

If they do what you mention here, you’d continue to do so.

They cannot win with you. I assure you that whatever the budget throws up, you will be straight on here calling it dogshit.

As sure as night follows day.

People like me? 😅 I’m guessing you don’t read or watch the news. Its headlines everyday about this government’s problems. Do you (and Cheese who ‘liked’ this) live in a bubble?

[Spider]

8 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

People like me? 😅 I’m guessing you don’t read or watch the news. Its headlines everyday about this government’s problems. Do you (and Cheese who ‘liked’ this) live in a bubble?

I don’t.

But I’m not bitter because I “lost” at the last election and am now desperate for Labour to fail.

They have 14 years of cowshit mismanagement to deal with and deserve time to do it. They’ve been dealt a shit hand and you know full well they have.

But if all you want to do is criticise then that’s up to you.

My guess is that when reform get in you’ll be prepared to cut them some slack 🥰

[Jol_BWFC]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

I'm glad to see you still have the original prototype of the Fist master F1000, a proper workhorse. None of the electronics or new fangled cum collection trays and pube tuggers that the modern versions have. I hope you still have all the attachments, if so, it'll be worth a fortune. 

Also a nice touch to see the blood stains of the victims still on the wall as a reminder.

[Dimron]

48 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Of course I’d raise income tax. I’d also cut public spending by more than I’d raise  in tax. It isn’t difficult unless you’re worried about the polls. Then it becomes political, which, I suspect you haven’t thought about.

There are 3 levers for a Chancellor to pull or push

Income tax, Value Added Tax, National Insurance

That's it 

 

[BobyBrno]

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

I don’t.

But I’m not bitter because I “lost” at the last election and am now desperate for Labour to fail.

They have 14 years of cowshit mismanagement to deal with and deserve time to do it. They’ve been dealt a shit hand and you know full well they have.

But if all you want to do is criticise then that’s up to you.

My guess is that when reform get in you’ll be prepared to cut them some slack 🥰

14 years of ‘cowshit mismanagement’ 😅

Just a reminder. You were all warned.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/23/tories-did-not-lay-waste-to-the-economy-but-the-myth-suits-labour-campaign-message-election

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

14 years of ‘cowshit mismanagement’ 😅

Just a reminder. You were all warned.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/23/tories-did-not-lay-waste-to-the-economy-but-the-myth-suits-labour-campaign-message-election

I’ve read that before and it really isn’t the smoking gun you’d like it to be. You’re gonna need a bigger gun. 

[BobyBrno]

Just now, Spider said:

I’ve read that before and it really isn’t the smoking gun you’d like it to be. You’re gonna need a bigger gun. 

10 years of the lowest interest rates and inflation in all our lifetimes?

[Spider]

Just now, BobyBrno said:

10 years of the lowest interest rates and inflation in all our lifetimes?

Read it again, I can’t hold your hand.

People can make their own minds up of course but the author clearly highlights how sick the economy was whilst desperately trying not to.

What happened in Bolton?

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Read it again, I can’t hold your hand.

People can make their own minds up of course but the author clearly highlights how sick the economy was whilst desperately trying not to.

What happened in Bolton?

Inflation up, unemployment up, borrowing up, gdp flatlining, energy prices up, borrowing up, leader challenges…. Shall I go on? Do you watch the news?

[Spider]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Inflation up, unemployment up, borrowing up, gdp flatlining, energy prices up, borrowing up, leader challenges…. Shall I go on? Do you watch the news?

I see it

Challenges is a keyword in there Boby lad.

I look forward to reform fixing it all within a week in 2029.

 

[BobyBrno]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

I see it

Challenges is a keyword in there Boby lad.

I look forward to reform fixing it all within a week in 2029.

 

I suspect it will be earlier than 2029. 
Whoever gets in, they can’t do any worse. That’s how Labour got in remember.

[Sweep]

7 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Inflation up, unemployment up, borrowing up, gdp flatlining, energy prices up, borrowing up, leader challenges…. Shall I go on? Do you watch the news?

I guess the point Spider is making (or one of them) is that you do genuinely seem absolutely delighted at each bit of bad news that comes out. It's almost like the worse it gets, the more pleased you are. 

[Spider]

Just now, BobyBrno said:

I suspect it will be earlier than 2029. 
Whoever gets in, they can’t do any worse. That’s how Labour got in remember.

Better be careful where you put that X next time then.

Imagine the criticism your team might get if they win. Eeek.

[BobyBrno]

5 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I guess the point Spider is making (or one of them) is that you do genuinely seem absolutely delighted at each bit of bad news that comes out. It's almost like the worse it gets, the more pleased you are. 

Really? You don’t know me. 
Are we not allowed to criticise the government? There was a lot of criticism of the last. You were one of those. Did it please you?