I managed to bag tickets for the Old Trafford test today through the Lancs membership scheme

10 hours ago, Casino said:

If anderson doesn't break down, I think we win the test

So, I'm not sure how much of it is down to roots captaincy

A much bigger issue, for me, is we still don't have test class batsmen at the top

For me, bairstow stays in, but buttler takes the gloves and bairstow bats at 4 or 5

Stokes above buttler

Moeen is on very thin ice

None of it matters in Smith averages 140, mind

 

I'm not convinced - there wasn't much movement after that first couple of sessions. Not sure Jimmy would have changed much second innings. He might have got the tail I guess first time round much cheaper.

I can't see Moeen playing next game he needs his confidence building up - he won't get that at Lords I don't think. Not sure on Bairstow logic - his batting has been poor for a while now. Would it not make sense to put Buttler as keeper bring in another batsman for Bairstow and take out Denly for an all rounder?

 

38 minutes ago, MickyD said:

 Anderson needs to go back to county level and get a 4 day game under his belt before he plays again. He declared himself fit for this test and obviously wasn't. Throwing a few balls into nets to prove fitness for a five day game was probably the worst fitness test prior to a test match.

To fair he was playing regularly until his injury at the end of June. They took a chance on his fitness but it obviously backfired. That and losing the toss so that ‘Gary’ would tear us apart on the 5th day as usual and of course Smith was what determined the outcome of this Test.

Leach for Moeen

Foakes for Bairstow 

Archer for Anderson

Root or Stokes to open, Roy to drop to 4

Agree about Foakes. Done well previously. Moeen an enigma; he's taken loads of wickets previously, but probably needs a break.

Heard Michael Vaughan say how well Roy had played until his aberration. Give him more time?

Does anyone else get the impression that Bairstow isn't the sharpest tool in the box?

13 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Agree about Foakes. Done well previously. Moeen an enigma; he's taken loads of wickets previously, but probably needs a break.

Heard Michael Vaughan say how well Roy had played until his aberration. Give him more time?

Does anyone else get the impression that Bairstow isn't the sharpest tool in the box?

worth another airing😅

20 hours ago, Casino said:

If anderson doesn't break down, I think we win the test

So, I'm not sure how much of it is down to roots captaincy

 

 

Having every man on the boundary to Smith just felt like accepting defeat, why didn’t Woakes bowl on the the Thursday morning at Edgbaston where he has been successful? 

Just niggly things like that suggest he’s not the best, Anderson being out takes a bit of the slack off him 

good day for Archer yesterday

23 hours ago, superjohnmcginlay said:

Having every man on the boundary to Smith just felt like accepting defeat, why didn’t Woakes bowl on the the Thursday morning at Edgbaston where he has been successful? 

Just niggly things like that suggest he’s not the best, Anderson being out takes a bit of the slack off him 

The slight concern I'd have over his captaincy is man management. Great when things are going well,  but how good is he when they're not. Can he get into his teammates in such a way as to inspire them, and has he got the balls to drop someone, even if they are one of the main men?

Obviously we don't know him nor what actually goes on ,but is he possibly a bit too nice?

Watched this again earlier....brilliant an brutal

 

 

15 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

The slight concern I'd have over his captaincy is man management. Great when things are going well,  but how good is he when they're not. Can he get into his teammates in such a way as to inspire them, and has he got the balls to drop someone, even if they are one of the main men?

Obviously we don't know him nor what actually goes on ,but is he possibly a bit too nice?

I think when you look at someone like Vaughan he took it all on his shoulders and understood the psyche of his players and sport and how situations affected people and he tried to manage that. I'm not sure Root is there yet. You look at Australia and Paine is not really captaining them is he? Smith is leading that team. 

I think Root is fine - but he does look lost when things go against him and bereft of ideas or a plan. Sometimes you have to try some psychology to get players out but again not sure that is Root's thing. 

20 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Watched this again earlier....brilliant an brutal

 

 

Immense that. How many full tosses though?

Aussies play a first class match between the tests, our lot twiddle their thingys.

World cup has taken priority over the Ashes, it seems

No county games they could drop down to for practice either. 

delayed 

think we get spanked 

Supposed to be at Lords on Friday the weather doesn’t look great!

Edited August 14, 20196 yr by superjohnmcginlay

Dog shit start 26-2 

Roy 0 

Root 14

 

 

 

Settled down a bit with Denly and Burns. (that's me giving it the curse of death).

The Ruth Strauss Foundation tributes have been a good/emotional watch. Everyone wearing red - including the Australian team. Good effort.

58 minutes ago, Smiley said:

Settled down a bit with Denly and Burns. (that's me giving it the curse of death).

The Ruth Strauss Foundation tributes have been a good/emotional watch. Everyone wearing red - including the Australian team. Good effort.

nob

Another dispiriting day

Not sure

These are 2 300 teams, Smith apart

Another day soon to be weather ruined.

After such a good morning session too. Right back in it with their dander up. What a bastard.

Edited August 16, 20196 yr by Tonge moor green jacket

How exciting, even though it's a draw

Root out first ball, England 9/2 with a first innings lead of 8.

I think the Jason Roy experiment is over

typical England