Our team is literally a Sunday league team, given Sunday league tactics.

Slow, Old, can’t pass, no flair, no possession, no energy

Questioning David Wheater?
Still the first name on the teamsheet for me, if fit.

Age/fitness, not attitude will be Dave's undoing. A shame many of the others aren't as committed/consistent as him.

24 minutes ago, Nottm_Wanderer said:

80s were awful.

Anybody remember Doncaster Rovers away at the old belle vue stadium. It was a festive away game . The away end had been redesigned.  There was a cage bolted onto a low gradient terrace , situated right behind the goal . So you watched the game looking though the cage bars and through the nets of the goal . The view was awful .

The rest of the terrace was empty . You could not stand on it . You were penned in this cage. 

Doncaster put three past us including a worldie volley past felgate ( I think it was him ) . I clapped the volley . 

Dire times . 

Massive police presence too if I recall and it was rammed in that cage .

Google it . You will not believe how awful that cage thing was 

we went in their end instead

1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said:

 I agree generally but surely Ameobi is championship standard? If he was playing for a mid table team against us he would rip us apart a few times in a game as he wouldn't be feeding off scraps. Hobbs is championship standard all day long but I can't think of any others.

At his best, I agree that Ameobi is easily Championship standard & our best player but he is so inconsistant that he seems to spend more time running up blind alleys than producing anything useful for the team. I'm guessing that's why , despite him having the ability, he could never get a regular place for Newcastle in the championship, & though I like him, i'm losing patience with him.

Of the rest from yesterday........Alnwick surely should have done better with their crucial 1st goal,..... Grounds was alright 1st half but collapsed in the 2nd.......Murphy was well out of his depth......Noone & Buckley put in their usual performances of the odd nice touch but nowhere near enough ........& Magennis was hopeless, a target man who couldn't win a header & constantly had the ball bouncing yards off him.

Williams, O'Neil & Doidge were nothing special but were better than this lot, so we've managed to weaken the team again in January but i don't think we'll get away with it this time.

Neither Williams nor O'Neil are fit to play. 

Murphy as better than you saw, in my opinion.
Ameobi looks disinterested and I'd not play him out on the right/left now. 
Noone was out of position
Buckley is just poor, he lacks heart and balls.
Magennis had a bad day
Grounds is terrible
Alnwick should have kept the first out

56 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Disagree, our defence because of the managers tactics are under pressure for 90% of the game at LEAST! And we defend on the penalty spot.

It's a miracle we don't concede more, Wheater under Parkinson's reign has been our best player by a million miles.

Got to agree with this. Our defenders are good enough, Wheater is a good championship centre back, from what I’ve seen Hobbs is a good championship centre back, Beevers in form is good enough, just, Pav has shown he is more than good enough but is just completely out of form, Alnwick similarly. The only area I would say we aren’t up to championship standard is at left back, but then Grounds is rated by Birmingham fans (to a reasonable level) and Taylor played well early in the season.

However, they aren’t good enough to withstand wave after wave of attacks. At some point somebody loses a runner, or a last minute block becomes a deflection for a goal, or someone scores a screamer.

It’s like when teams play away at City, they set up to defend for 90 minutes and 9 times out of 10 they can’t withstand it because it’s relentless. We set up like that for all away matches, no matter who the opponent, and probably a third to a half of home matches too. We might scrape a result here and there, just like sometimes a team will get one at City, but it’s a ridiculous mentality to have and we’re not getting anywhere playing that way.

34 minutes ago, bolton va va said:

At his best, I agree that Ameobi is easily Championship standard & our best player but he is so inconsistant that he seems to spend more time running up blind alleys than producing anything useful for the team. I'm guessing that's why , despite him having the ability, he could never get a regular place for Newcastle in the championship, & though I like him, i'm losing patience with him.

Of the rest from yesterday........Alnwick surely should have done better with their crucial 1st goal,..... Grounds was alright 1st half but collapsed in the 2nd.......Murphy was well out of his depth......Noone & Buckley put in their usual performances of the odd nice touch but nowhere near enough ........& Magennis was hopeless, a target man who couldn't win a header & constantly had the ball bouncing yards off him.

Williams, O'Neil & Doidge were nothing special but were better than this lot, so we've managed to weaken the team again in January but i don't think we'll get away with it this time.

Agree with crucial 1st goal that Alnwick should have saved it but our midfield and defence should not be giving that much space for the guy to shoot from there. Alnwick did a worldy save just after. Didnt see their second very well but it looked a complete fuck up at the back

Grounds was dog shit throughout IMO; never picking up the winger and most of the time drifting inside our box whilst the winger was free to receive passes; then when he went to mark him he just let him ghost past him - as you say the second half he was dreadful and should have been taken after 5 minutes. No real comment on Murphy but he is not the dynamic midfield with vision we need. Thought Noone worked hard but Buckley is a lazy shit. Magennis is proabably a National League standard centre forward; definately not a target man because his control is hopeless - might be doing him an injustice because if he was played in a 442 formation with balls being pumped in then he could probably score a few with the right partner (Walsall).

The idiots singing 'how shit must you be' when we scored really did my head in as I knew they would come back - left after Bristols second and glad I did

18 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

The idiots singing 'how shit must you be' when we scored really did my head in as I knew they would come back - left after Bristols second and glad I did

I hate all "How shit must you be" "We've had a shot/scored a goal" chants

Serves no purpose.

3 minutes ago, Traf said:

I hate all "How shit must you be" "We've had a shot/scored a goal" chants

Serves no purpose.

I’m guessing it was from our special brigade of fans 

Just now, radcliffewhite1 said:

I’m guessing it was from our special brigade of fans 

The 'fuck the andersons' crowd

Even singing that when we were winning - tossers

Just now, radcliffewhite1 said:

I’m guessing it was from our special brigade of fans 

Yep, the ones chanting "Fuck the Andersons" in front of small kids and singing about Lee Anderson being a greasy paedo who fucks kids.

1 minute ago, Traf said:

Yep, the ones chanting "Fuck the Andersons" in front of small kids and singing about Lee Anderson being a greasy paedo who fucks kids.

Really!, you know what all clubs will have them but all what’s happened recently highlights that we have some absolute fuck witts following us .

like casino said Sheffield could be interesting me personally don’t think I could hold my tongue if that shit comes out 

17 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

I’m guessing it was from our special brigade of fans 

The thogden video thing ( i know) shows them fairly clearly & how few there were,

After they'd tried to start the anti-Ken stuff a few times, it was clear that the large majority weren't going to join in. I sat well away from them, but i believe some words were exchanged with them & it was getting a bit heated just before we scored.

14 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Really!, you know what all clubs will have them but all what’s happened recently highlights that we have some absolute fuck witts following us .

like casino said Sheffield could be interesting me personally don’t think I could hold my tongue if that shit comes out 

Yep, they were at it even after we scored.

In the end some parents took offence, asked them to rein it in only to be "offered outside"

Just now, bolton va va said:

The thogden video thing ( i know) shows them fairly clearly & how few there were,

After they'd tried to start the anti-Ken stuff a few times, it was clear that the large majority weren't going to join in. I sat well away from them, but i believe some words were exchanged with them & it was getting a bit heated just before we scored.

Yeah, it wasn't a lot of them, about a dozen or so really vocal ones I'd say, including the handful of special types Thogden's dad was filmed with at the turnstile.

Not sure Thogden should have included those chants etc in his final edit either.

On a brighter note, it was otherwise another good day out, spent some quality time with a few off here including Stejay, Leyther Matt, Twiggy & Pete, whose WW name I forget!

Iles managed to weave the anti Anderson chants into his match report 

I guess it did occur but how many times has he mentioned chanting content before in his match reports?

 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Take Hunt Off said:

Our crowd at least halved over five years it was a progressive decline from quite a shitty 9k .Bottom line it aint as bad but could be in three or four years time 

4500 is 4500 no matter what gloss you put on it .

 

 

 

 

 

Yes the decline was so fast from 22k for several years in late 70s to less than half that by 1980 and halved again by 1983. Incredible by any standards. But in comparison, Swansea went ftom 18k in 1982 to 4400 3 years larer! Bristol City mirrored our own decline in attendances over the same period. Cardiffs average in 1985 was 2848!  We looked huge in comparison. You just don't see that lack of loyalty these days, in the all seater/season ticket age when decisions for the year are made in the optimistic summer months. Imagine what our crowds would be like this season without season tickets (there was a clue v Walsall).

Yet another good day out let down by the football. I can accept not being good enough but to get relegated not having a good go at it is really poor. I’ve had enough of the crap being served up, it’s simply not enjoyable

3 hours ago, Mr Grey said:

Disagree, our defence because of the managers tactics are under pressure for 90% of the game at LEAST! And we defend on the penalty spot.

It's a miracle we don't concede more, Wheater under Parkinson's reign has been our best player by a million miles.

I agree if there was a 'player of the reign' award Wheater would easily win. I love watching him defend as long as he isn't exposed for pace, which us surprisingly rare. But I still think Hobbs is a better all round player and I don't get why 2 of our over worked central defenders are played until exhaustion every week and the other is sat on the bench.

2 hours ago, Traf said:

Neither Williams nor O'Neil are fit to play. 

Murphy as better than you saw, in my opinion.
Ameobi looks disinterested and I'd not play him out on the right/left now. 
Noone was out of position
Buckley is just poor, he lacks heart and balls.
Magennis had a bad day
Grounds is terrible
Alnwick should have kept the first out

I can't comment on yesterday but it's plain as day McGennis is a Div 1 striker, as is Doidge for what it's worth. I just don't see a championship player in Murphy, he was so poor in his earlier games, yet now Oz who clearly has something different to offer is ditched completely. Grounds isn't good but has more to his game than the weak and slow Taylor, he wasn't good enough in Div 1.

I'd give Oz a go out on the right, couldn't be worse than Buckley

2 hours ago, Traf said:

I hate all "How shit must you be" "We've had a shot/scored a goal" chants

Serves no purpose.

I get the impression it's just something to sing because we don't have any songs, we can't even sing Parkys super white army or sing about a player because we don't like them enough. But I agree it's annoying, it was happening when we started to win last season and Madine pointedly told them to cut it out and if wasn't heard again till recently.

5 hours ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

like casino said Sheffield could be interesting me personally don’t think I could hold my tongue if that shit comes out 

4 hours ago, Traf said:

In the end some parents took offence, asked them to rein it in only to be "offered outside"

And there's the issue. If someone of 40 - 50 had a word with 16 year old me at a football match back in the day and asked me to rein it in, I'd have reined it in. No lip, no arguments because you know the lad telling you to pipe down knew the score and probably had the backing of everyone around him.

These days, you'd be told to "Fuck off you old twat!" And, as Traf says, offered a toe-to toe outside.

 

These aren't 16 yr olds, though. These are fully grown adults.