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Meanwhile in Ukraine

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6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

They'd have no hope in a direct fight with the Russian state; it's not for nothing Prig called his march off

The nightmare for Putin would be open warfare on Russian streets but I'd think all parties realise that's not happening

In a direct fight, aye. Would depend upon the stomach of disenfranchised Russian regulars of course, but sheer weight of numbers would sway the contest.

However, it would still be a major headache, and a boon for Ukraine.

Can't see it happening though now.

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    Its appeasement, that's all it is, and more people will end up dying in the longer term if you essentially capitulate to agressors. These aren't peace deals in the slightest.

  • We’ve reached a point where folk are so entrenched in their support for trump that they’ll side with Putin if it means not losing face on the socials. Thats where we are now. its ok

  • That Vance is a bigger cunt than Trump 

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Sounds like Ukraine lost their most famous pilot overnight @_juicefighter_ Some of his stories from the war so far have been incredible, huge blow for them.

9 hours ago, Marc505 said:

Sounds like Ukraine lost their most famous pilot overnight @_juicefighter_ Some of his stories from the war so far have been incredible, huge blow for them.

 

Shame he didn't get chance to use a F16

2 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Shame he didn't get chance to use a F16

He'd been one of the most vocal advocates for them too. 3 pilots lost in a training accident is tragic, especially when their numbers are already so short.

2 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

He'd been one of the most vocal advocates for them too. 3 pilots lost in a training accident is tragic, especially when their numbers are already so short.

Too slow mate, US have obviously given the most but let's be honest they have only given a tiny percentage of their budget. Plus they include armaments that would be chucked anyway as obsolete. Yet obsolete stuff is absolutely smashing them to pieces. 

1 minute ago, Winchester White said:

Too slow mate, US have obviously given the most but let's be honest they have only given a tiny percentage of their budget. Plus they include armaments that would be chucked anyway as obsolete. Yet obsolete stuff is absolutely smashing them to pieces. 

I can understand it though, nobody is wanting to give them their most cutting edge stuff for fear of it falling into Russian hands. Even the F-16's they're getting aren't top of the range, or being sent with their most capable sensors and weapons.

They're far from being some sort of game changer that they're being portrayed as.

I'm sure they will help substantially as they are in addition to what they have and not instead of.

 

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I'm sure they will help substantially as they are in addition to what they have and not instead of.

 

Agreed to an extent, but to make them truly effective they need to be used in conjunction with a lot of other types of aircraft that they don't have. Russia has a massive long range missile advantage that the F-16 can't counter and will be vulnerable to.

I still don't see where all this ends. Don't get the sense Putin has been significantly weakened by all this, he's probably very confident of being able to ride things out until the rest of the world gets war fatigue.

Russia has lost a hell of a lot of equipment, and I read one article saying they're struggling to manufacture new stuff because of supply issues (sanctions), so are likely to be getting less than top whack stuff from supportive nations.

Of course Ukraine's f16s etc might not be the very best spec, but I'm sure they'll be fairly effective nonetheless.

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Russia has lost a hell of a lot of equipment, and I read one article saying they're struggling to manufacture new stuff because of supply issues (sanctions), so are likely to be getting less than top whack stuff from supportive nations.

Of course Ukraine's f16s etc might not be the very best spec, but I'm sure they'll be fairly effective nonetheless.

I believe they are short on stocks and materials for ground attack weapons but their air to air stuff is plentiful and far out ranges the version of AMRAAM that Ukraine would get with their F-16s.

I'm the biggest F-16 fanboy going and they will be useful for some things in this particular scenario but if they're denied access to the best weapons and tactics for fear of losing them to Russia then their impact might be quite limited. That's probably why they've been stalling on supplying them for so long.

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9 hours ago, Cheese said:

 

What poisoning will he come down with?

First challenger 2 destroyed. :(

Hit a mine, fortunately crew got out.

 

23 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

First challenger 2 destroyed. :(

Hit a mine, fortunately crew got out.

 

Inevitable really. They could do with a lot more of them. The crew survived which is good, the Russian ones usually blast apart like a tonka toy.

He just won’t go away. Some may say that this is connected to the last post. Some may say I’m pro Boris and showing him, yet again, in a good light. Who knows.😊

9 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

He just won’t go away. Some may say that this is connected to the last post. Some may say I’m pro Boris and showing him, yet again, in a good light. Who knows.😊

Well

You should know.

Unless the heat has really got to you.

If you love Boris, you love Boris. Why hide it, unless there’s some sort of personal embarrassment?

😊

15 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

He just won’t go away. Some may say that this is connected to the last post. Some may say I’m pro Boris and showing him, yet again, in a good light. Who knows.😊

Was, is and always will be an absolute prick. 

Him, not you, obvs😃

2 hours ago, Winchester White said:

What a cunt.

I have some sympathy with his view.

Not wanting an independent, commercial operation for peaceful means to be engulfed in a conflict is reasonable.

However the knock on effect was arguably worse, and emboldened an enemy.

At least he contributed later.

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I have some sympathy with his view.

Not wanting an independent, commercial operation for peaceful means to be engulfed in a conflict is reasonable.

However the knock on effect was arguably worse, and emboldened an enemy.

At least he contributed later.

Dangerous ground when one individual can dictate operational decisions in a war where hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost. 

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

He just won’t go away. Some may say that this is connected to the last post. Some may say I’m pro Boris and showing him, yet again, in a good light. Who knows.😊

That tie could be used to hold a bridge up in The Crimea

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