Meanwhile in Israel

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Aye.

If it forces another election though, then is Gantz likely to get even less?

 

[DirtySanchez]

Read that Netanyahu is deeply unpopular 

Previous elections couldn't get a winner so he couldn't get a majority 

He's being propped up by right wing 

He'll never do a ceasefire as that means giving concessions to Palestine, which those behind him will never accept 

So he carries on regardless 

[royal white]

On 08/06/2024 at 08:54, Not in Crawley said:

I find it very odd people justifying bombing hospitals because Hamas are there and killing innocent people.

Well, not odd, but just rather depressing.

Whats the alternative? 

[bolty58]

9 hours ago, royal white said:

Whats the alternative? 

Let them survive and re-arm of course. Secretly what the anti semitic types want.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

13 hours ago, royal white said:

Whats the alternative? 

Evacuate them all and bring them here of course!

They'll assimilate nicely.

[kent_white]

16 hours ago, royal white said:

Whats the alternative? 

Serious question - as a military man. 

What ARE the options in this type of situation? 

I can only think of......

 

a) Hold off on the attack based on the intelligence that there's children there 

b) Send some sort of special forces in to target the Hamas fighters and protect the children

c) Blow everything up with a massive bomb

 

Admittedly I've not been to Sandhurst like! 😁

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Evacuate them all and bring them here of course!

They'll assimilate nicely.

Yeah, that's what the Egyptians said too.

[royal white]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

Serious question - as a military man. 

What ARE the options in this type of situation? 

I can only think of......

 

a) Hold off on the attack based on the intelligence that there's children there 

b) Send some sort of special forces in to target the Hamas fighters and protect the children

c) Blow everything up with a massive bomb

 

Admittedly I've not been to Sandhurst like! 😁

A) How long does a country hold back for when their own are being targeted from said building? 
 

B ) Probably the best idea but would depend massively on the numbers you are fighting and area. Either way it’s likely to require some heavy bombing before hand 

C) That does seem to be the easiest/best option going off previous conflicts. 
 

They are pretty much your options. Every scenario  will be different but it all comes down to protecting your own whilst getting the “baddies”

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I reckon the reality is also that there's no play poker for dealing with an enemy that embeds itself within civilian infrastructure as much as Hamas does either

Last week, A Sky News (I think it was Sky News) presenter asked an Isreali official last week why they didn't warn civilians in the area of the covert hostage release operation in advance 🤦‍♂️

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Playbook not play poker 😁

[Tonge moor green jacket]

30 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I reckon the reality is also that there's no play poker for dealing with an enemy that embeds itself within civilian infrastructure as much as Hamas does either

Last week, A Sky News (I think it was Sky News) presenter asked an Isreali official last week why they didn't warn civilians in the area of the covert hostage release operation in advance 🤦‍♂️

I should be surprised, but I'm not.

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

A) How long does a country hold back for when their own are being targeted from said building? 
 

B ) Probably the best idea but would depend massively on the numbers you are fighting and area. Either way it’s likely to require some heavy bombing before hand 

C) That does seem to be the easiest/best option going off previous conflicts. 
 

They are pretty much your options. Every scenario  will be different but it all comes down to protecting your own whilst getting the “baddies”

See I'd be picking a from that list. Which is probably why I ended up being a nurse and not a marine! 😁

Again - I'm only asking out of ignorance. But if you've got 4 Hamas fighters holed up in a school - how much damage can they realistically do from there without giving their position away. 

I mean presumably they could plot to their hearts content - but as for actually doing something I mean? 

[BobyBrno]

7 minutes ago, kent_white said:

See I'd be picking a from that list. Which is probably why I ended up being a nurse and not a marine! 😁

Again - I'm only asking out of ignorance. But if you've got 4 Hamas fighters holed up in a school - how much damage can they realistically do from there without giving their position away. 

I mean presumably they could plot to their hearts content - but as for actually doing something I mean? 

The IDF have confirmed that 17 Hamas fighters were using the ‘former’ school as a headquarters. Some of them senior. Does that change your judgement?

[kent_white]

9 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

The IDF have confirmed that 17 Hamas fighters were using the ‘former’ school as a headquarters. Some of them senior. Does that change your judgement?

Ever so slightly - but I'd still be very much in the A camp. How many kids died in the end? 

[BobyBrno]

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Ever so slightly - but I'd still be very much in the A camp. How many kids died in the end? 

No idea. It’s all gone quiet since the initial ‘2 classes full of children’ claim. 
I guess they (Hamas) move on after they make wild and unsubstantiated claims.

 

[kent_white]

Just now, BobyBrno said:

No idea. It’s all gone quiet since the initial ‘2 classes full of children’ claim. 
I guess they (Hamas) move on after they make wild and unsubstantiated claims.

 

You'd have thought the IDF would have confirmed that too. 

Then I could have played the 'was it worth the amount of dead children game' with a bit more insight.

40,000+ dead Palestinians at the last count. Over 12,000 of which are children. 

For comparison - I've seen estimates that Hamas had an army of about 30,000. 

So we're currently on about 1 kid for every three fighters. Or 1.25 civilians for every fighter. 

I'd like to see Hamas eliminated. I genuinely would. But not at this cost. Not at anywhere near this cost. It's a slaughter. 

[kent_white]

Just now, kent_white said:

So we're currently on about 1 kid for every three fighters. Or 1.25 civilians for every fighter. 

I'd like to see Hamas eliminated. I genuinely would. But not at this cost. Not at anywhere near this cost. It's a slaughter. 

That's assuming the Israelis pop absolutely everyone in Hamas of course. I've no idea how many they've actually killed. So the ratios are currently worse than my fag packet calculations above.

[royal white]

47 minutes ago, kent_white said:

See I'd be picking a from that list. Which is probably why I ended up being a nurse and not a marine! 😁

Again - I'm only asking out of ignorance. But if you've got 4 Hamas fighters holed up in a school - how much damage can they realistically do from there without giving their position away. 

I mean presumably they could plot to their hearts content - but as for actually doing something I mean? 

4 Hamas fighters holed up with just a pair of binoculars and a secure radio could cause more damage than 50 fully armed Hamas fighters. 

Edited June 13, 2024 by royal white

[kent_white]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

4 Hamas fighters holed up with just a pair of binoculars and a secure radio could cause more damage than 50 fully armed Hamas fighters. 

Do you think that's what happened then? They were hidden and directing attacks? 

[BobyBrno]

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

You'd have thought the IDF would have confirmed that too. 

Then I could have played the 'was it worth the amount of dead children game' with a bit more insight.

40,000+ dead Palestinians at the last count. Over 12,000 of which are children. 

For comparison - I've seen estimates that Hamas had an army of about 30,000. 

So we're currently on about 1 kid for every three fighters. Or 1.25 civilians for every fighter. 

I'd like to see Hamas eliminated. I genuinely would. But not at this cost. Not at anywhere near this cost. It's a slaughter. 

The figures you quote for deaths are supplied by a terrorist organisation. The figures have been revised down by the UN and the number of Hamas is unknown. Not sure what ratio would be  acceptable to you. I don’t make judgments, I just watch on like everyone else. I don’t take the ramblings of terrorists as fact though.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

17 minutes ago, kent_white said:

You'd have thought the IDF would have confirmed that too. 

Then I could have played the 'was it worth the amount of dead children game' with a bit more insight.

40,000+ dead Palestinians at the last count. Over 12,000 of which are children. 

For comparison - I've seen estimates that Hamas had an army of about 30,000. 

So we're currently on about 1 kid for every three fighters. Or 1.25 civilians for every fighter. 

I'd like to see Hamas eliminated. I genuinely would. But not at this cost. Not at anywhere near this cost. It's a slaughter. 

We have no idea what the civilian to terrorist ratio is because Hamas will never a) accurately report the number of fatalities, and b) never report the number of their fighters who have been killed

[kent_white]

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

The figures you quote for deaths are supplied by a terrorist organisation. The figures have been revised down by the UN and the number of Hamas is unknown. Not sure what ratio would be  acceptable to you. I don’t make judgments, I just watch on like everyone else. I don’t take the ramblings of terrorists as fact though.

Appreciate it's a grey area given 'the fog of war' however according to what I've just read........

'Farhan Haq, deputy spokesman for the United Nations Secretary-General, said the overall number of fatalities recorded by authorities in Gaza and reported by the U.N. have "remained unchanged at more than 35,000 people" since Oct. 7, 2023, when Hamas launched a violent attack on Israel.' 

Not sure on ratios. But for balance - Hamas killed 36 children on October 7th. So 333 Palestinian children to 1 Israeli child seems completely disproportional as a response. Not that I'd advocate the tit for tat killing of children as revenge of course. 

[kent_white]

8 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

We have no idea what the civilian to terrorist ratio is because Hamas will never a) accurately report the number of fatalities, and b) never report the number of their fighters who have been killed

No - but I'm pretty confident that it will be catastrophically high. Based on the damage to infrastructure alone. 

[bolty58]

31 minutes ago, kent_white said:

 

40,000+ dead Palestinians at the last count. Over 12,000 of which are children. 

 

Whose count!!!??? I wouldn't trust a single fucking word those sleazy Hamas bastards say. The only question with those cunts is what multiplication factor have they used?

[bolty58]

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Appreciate it's a grey area given 'the fog of war' however according to what I've just read........

'Farhan Haq, deputy spokesman for the United Nations Secretary-General, said the overall number of fatalities recorded by authorities in Gaza and reported by the U.N. have "remained unchanged at more than 35,000 people" since Oct. 7, 2023, when Hamas launched a violent attack on Israel.' 

Not sure on ratios. But for balance - Hamas killed 36 children on October 7th. So 333 Palestinian children to 1 Israeli child seems completely disproportional as a response. Not that I'd advocate the tit for tat killing of children as revenge of course. 

I wouldn't trust those cunts either!

One of their agencies assisted the Hamas attack on the 7th October!

Edited June 13, 2024 by bolty58