Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both?

 

3 hours ago, jayjayoghani said:

Link if anyone interested from 55:15. Thoughts of ex MI5 and MI6 chiefs on Gaza and Israel. Plus the quote from the previous tweet. 

Cheers

 Will have a listen later.

No surprises really. The tactics of Hamas are barbaric, but they differ from most Islamic terrorists in that they’re driven by revenge & not just religion. They do appear to have some jihadists in their midst. 
 

Whilst Israel continue to occupy more & more land, & slaughter more innocents, the conflict will only worsen. Palestine won’t achieve much through violence, but none of us can say we wouldn’t look for revenge under similar oppression. 

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

 

Surely no one is deluded enough to think that Israel will just sit back and take it? There have been decades of evidence to suggest otherwise.

 

Nobody on here has said Israel doesn’t have a right to defend itself. But decades of evidence show that they want more land for themselves & have no desire to return stolen land.

Should Palestinians just sit back & take it? 
 

A pointless question as he’s got me on ignore 😁

Just had an enlighting conversation with a bloke on my now rather longer commute. He was off to a defence conference in Paris, without any shame he said, its really good money at the moment with Gaza and Ukraine.

I mean, I'm not really a moral maude - hey I've gone for a job at British American Tobacco before - but that sort of shocked me a bit.

Ex-military chap, was really quite nice. Not a fan of Labour it had to be said.

 

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

Just had an enlighting conversation with a bloke on my now rather longer commute. He was off to a defence conference in Paris, without any shame he said, its really good money at the moment with Gaza and Ukraine.

I mean, I'm not really a moral maude - hey I've gone for a job at British American Tobacco before - but that sort of shocked me a bit.

Ex-military chap, was really quite nice. Not a fan of Labour it had to be said.

 

Always money in WAR 

9 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

 

Ex-military chap, was really quite nice. Not a fan of Labour it had to be said.

 

How is @royal white?

10 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Just had an enlighting conversation with a bloke on my now rather longer commute. He was off to a defence conference in Paris, without any shame he said, its really good money at the moment with Gaza and Ukraine.

I mean, I'm not really a moral maude - hey I've gone for a job at British American Tobacco before - but that sort of shocked me a bit.

Ex-military chap, was really quite nice. Not a fan of Labour it had to be said.

 

Someone I know is on that gravy train... disappeared  for a few weeks and returned with a nice sun tan last October, he has  spent a bit of time in "Former Soviet States" over the past two years or so... he's just brought a nice £70k camper van to go off fishing... we don't discuss things in great detail although I'm getting my rods ready 🙂

A man convicted of wearing a pro-Hamas headband at a pro-Palestinian protest ends up receiving a conditonal discharge

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq55vxq2vvgo.amp

Similarly, the two women found guilty after being charged for wearing stickers of paragliders at a pro-Palestinian protest days after the attacks on 7th October were also given slaps on the wrist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68286945.amp

A police officer convicted of offences under the Terrorism Act for sending messages in support of Hamas on WhatsApp given a community order (police offers have previously been handed custodial sentences for privately sharing racist jokes on WhatsApp, including two by the judge who handed the women convicted of wearing paraglider stickers conditional discharges)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/west-yorkshire-police-officer-given-community-order-over-pro-hamas-whatsapp-posts-13147414

The criminal justice system is a joke

20 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

A man convicted of wearing a pro-Hamas headband at a pro-Palestinian protest ends up receiving a conditonal discharge

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq55vxq2vvgo.amp

Similarly, the two women found guilty after being charged for wearing stickers of paragliders at a pro-Palestinian protest days after the attacks on 7th October were also given slaps on the wrist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68286945.amp

A police officer convicted of offences under the Terrorism Act for sending messages in support of Hamas on WhatsApp given a community order (police offers have previously been handed custodial sentences for privately sharing racist jokes on WhatsApp, including two by the judge who handed the women convicted of wearing paraglider stickers conditional discharges)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/west-yorkshire-police-officer-given-community-order-over-pro-hamas-whatsapp-posts-13147414

The criminal justice system is a joke

You should pick it up with Alex Chalk, Conservative MP for Cheltenham. He’s the current Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice.

Another privately educated chap who went to Winchester College about the same time as Rishi. Like Sunak, he went on to study at Oxford. It’s not what you know, it’s where you go (to school/Uni).

15 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

You should pick it up with Alex Chalk, Conservative MP for Cheltenham. He’s the current Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice.

Another privately educated chap who went to Winchester College about the same time as Rishi. Like Sunak, he went on to study at Oxford. It’s not what you know, it’s where you go (to school/Uni).

Indeed

But the problem is bother bigger than, and pre-dates, him

What on earth the background of a politician has to do with it is baffling. Given the nature of that role though, a good quality education is vital.

Moreover, the Lord chancellor doesn't appoint judges at that level. They're appointed by an independent committee. 

Those of the high Court are appointed by the monarch, on advice from the LC.

 

Interesting to note that no high court judge has ever been removed from "office" by the process of parliament petitioning the monarch to do so.

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

What on earth the background of a politician has to do with it is baffling. Given the nature of that role though, a good quality education is vital.

Moreover, the Lord chancellor doesn't appoint judges at that level. They're appointed by an independent committee. 

Those of the high Court are appointed by the monarch, on advice from the LC.

 

Interesting to note that no high court judge has ever been removed from "office" by the process of parliament petitioning the monarch to do so.

I really dont think @Jol_BWFCneeds educating by you

Hasnt Chalk told judges not to send folk to prison as theyre full?

#14years

5 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

What on earth the background of a politician has to do with it is baffling. Given the nature of that role though, a good quality education is vital.

Moreover, the Lord chancellor doesn't appoint judges at that level. They're appointed by an independent committee. 

Those of the high Court are appointed by the monarch, on advice from the LC.

Interesting to note that no high court judge has ever been removed from "office" by the process of parliament petitioning the monarch to do so.

Sentencing guidelines are set by the Sentencing Council. The Council members are appointed by the Lord Chancellor and Lord (Lady) Chief Justice.

@Casino is right too, that Chalky has made it very clear that he sees low level offences as ones that should not warrant a prison sentence. In his view prison does not rehabilitate those individuals. Plus the prisons are indeed full…

7 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Chalky has made it very clear that he sees low level offences as ones that should not warrant a prison sentence. 

& he is correct in that regard. It seems bonkers to me that we start locking people up for such acts. Same goes for the coppers sharing racist jokes. Losing their jobs is enough. As for the prick wearing a Hamas headband - caution, potential community service is enough. Assess again if the fella does it again. 

8 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Sentencing guidelines are set by the Sentencing Council. The Council members are appointed by the Lord Chancellor and Lord (Lady) Chief Justice.

@Casino is right too, that Chalky has made it very clear that he sees low level offences as ones that should not warrant a prison sentence. In his view prison does not rehabilitate those individuals. Plus the prisons are indeed full…

None of which is relevant to the Lt's initial comment. 

The judges are following the guidelines- or their cases would be appealed etc- it is the perceived or actual inequality in sentencing that is disturbing to folk.

 

We'll also need a lot of extra prisons for footy fans alone if we're going to start handing out harsher justice to everyone who displays a hateful banner or speech. 

This lot from the Pro Palestine camp were found guilty in court and have been named and shamed. Hopefully that will enough. 

5 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

None of which is relevant to the Lt's initial comment. 

The judges are following the guidelines- or their cases would be appealed etc- it is the perceived or actual inequality in sentencing that is disturbing to folk.

 

I may be missing something. Is the issue that police officers have been dealt with more harshly than non-police officers?

3 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said:

I may be missing something. Is the issue that police officers have been dealt with more harshly than non-police officers?

I don't know about anyone else's, but mine was that expressing support for a proscribed terrorist organisation should be considered a more serious offence

13 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I don't know about anyone else's, but mine was that expressing support for a proscribed terrorist organisation should be considered a more serious offence

Aye.

 

Wrong uns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c880k3930rmo

1 hour ago, deeane Koontz said:

Wrong uns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c880k3930rmo

Still, good news about the chocolate oranges.

1 hour ago, deeane Koontz said:

Wrong uns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c880k3930rmo

They might have all been Hamas for all we know, and if not they probably know someone who was so technically complicit 

I can't get my head around the hypocrisy.

Western weaponry used against Palestine hospitals and schools... that's okay, carry on

Russian weaponry used against Ukrainian hospitals and schools... crime against humanity

Can someone explain please?

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

I can't get my head around the hypocrisy.

Western weaponry used against Palestine hospitals and schools... that's okay, carry on

Russian weaponry used against Ukrainian hospitals and schools... crime against humanity

Can someone explain please?

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1 hour ago, Dimron said:

I can't get my head around the hypocrisy.

Western weaponry used against Palestine hospitals and schools... that's okay, carry on

Russian weaponry used against Ukrainian hospitals and schools... crime against humanity

Can someone explain please?

There is no explanation. Bombing schools & hospitals is the work of evil cunts, no matter what flag you do it under.

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

I can't get my head around the hypocrisy.

Western weaponry used against Palestine hospitals and schools... that's okay, carry on

Russian weaponry used against Ukrainian hospitals and schools... crime against humanity

Can someone explain please?

Two reasons:

1. It's more the fact the attack on the Ukrainian children's hospital was an indisputable war crime

It was hundreds of miles from any war zone and there can be no doubt there wasn't any military infrastructure within the building

The same clarity doesn't exist in Gaza, although that, of course, doesn't mean war crimes have been committed

2. The morally bankrupt world of realpolitik - Russia is an enemy state and so it's easier to be critical because there's no risk of jeopardising any positive relationship (and, to be fair, also because the West has practically no influence over Russia)

Israel, although not an ally of the UK, has the support of the US, which is, of course, our biggest ally, so we and other European nations are much more reticent to stand in opposition