Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both?

 

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

Just for balance, if this bit of research is accurate, then it blows the starvation argument out of the water.

As usual though, in the fog of war, no one really knows.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-study-finds-food-supply-to-gaza-more-than-sufficient-for-populations-needs/amp/

 

Speaking of bias 

But if you aren't sure about the ICC because the guy is called Kahn I wouldn't go near the Times Of Israel 

26 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Lots to go at there.

In a nutshell. Not sure what you mean by win. Israel cannot afford to lose. Their opponents want the total destruction of their State. That in itself is a war crime. How they defend that right to exist is open to interpretation. 

You tell me 

You said it was Israel v Hamas and you pick Israel 

hamas want to wipe out Israel

This Israeli regime want to wipe out Palestine 

I don't support either, neither does the ICC

They have accused them both of war crimes 

Rightly so in my opinion

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

 

You said it was Israel v Hamas and you pick Israel 

Yes. 100%

hamas want to wipe out Israel

Correct

This Israeli regime want to wipe out Palestine 

No they don’t. The discussions on  normalisation in September 2023 would have paved the way for a 2 state solution. That was scupperd by Hamas. (Extremists in the Israeli government don’t represent the majority)

I don't support either, neither does the ICC

I never thought you would support a terrorist organisation. I understand you not wanting to support Israel but unfortunately it’s A of B. 
 

They have accused them both of war crimes 

Rightly so in my opinion

 

7 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Extremists in the Israeli government don’t represent the majority.

Correct. But they're the ones running the show.

9 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Correct. But they're the ones running the show.

Spot on

He's rabbiting on as if it's an innocent liberal government being targeted by Islamic extremists. 

They're as extreme as Hamas and that's why we are where we are. 

Edited May 25, 20242 yr by London Wanderer

 

20 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

I never thought you would support a terrorist organisation

Accusing posters of supporting terrorism because they're criticising Israel is up there with one of the daftest things I've read on this thread. 

And for fwiw, I really don't think you're daft. 

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Correct. But they're the ones running the show.

Depending on your point of view, there are good, bad and ugly in the Israeli government. Probably mainly in the last two categories. Doesn’t alter the fact that the Israelis are under constant fear for its existence from terrorists and hostile neighbours. 
They could have elections tomorrow and elect the most left wing government that you could wish for and the threats would still be there. 
There is a reason the Israelis vote the way they do. It’s not something we can comprehend. 

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

 

Accusing posters of supporting terrorism because they're criticising Israel is up there with one of the daftest things I've read on this thread. 

And for fwiw, I really don't think you're daft. 

As usual you have completely misunderstood a comment. What I said was literal.

For clarity. 
‘I never thought you would support a Terrorist organisation’

 

Edited May 25, 20242 yr by BobyBrno

14 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

As usual you have completely misunderstood a comment. What I said was literal.

For clarity. 
‘I never thought you would support a Terrorist organisation’

 

So you don’t think he’s supporting Hamas ? 

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

So you don’t think he’s supporting Hamas ? 

No. 

24 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Depending on your point of view, there are good, bad and ugly in the Israeli government. Probably mainly in the last two categories. Doesn’t alter the fact that the Israelis are under constant fear for its existence from terrorists and hostile neighbours. 
They could have elections tomorrow and elect the most left wing government that you could wish for and the threats would still be there. 
There is a reason the Israelis vote the way they do. It’s not something we can comprehend. 

None of which is relevant when we're talking about possible war crimes being committed.

Let’s get something straight about Israel. There are 9.5 million people (about 3/4 of the population Jews) living in a land given to them before any one of us was born. Whatever their history, whatever the reasons for them being there. They are there. It’s their home. Some people want to eliminate them completely. Some people think they should move. 
It was the same before this Israeli government and it’ll be the same after.  How can we try to understand or even judge them?

5 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Let’s get something straight about Israel. There are 9.5 million people (about 3/4 of the population Jews) living in a land given to them before any one of us was born. Whatever their history, whatever the reasons for them being there. They are there. It’s their home. Some people want to eliminate them completely. Some people think they should move. 
It was the same before this Israeli government and it’ll be the same after.  How can we try to understand or even judge them?

Could you not say the exact same about Palestinians?

18 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

So you don’t think he’s supporting Hamas ? 

Let me ask you a question. Do you believe Hamas are terrorists?

8 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Let me ask you a question. Do you believe Hamas are terrorists?

Answer yours first & stop playing games 😁

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Could you not say the exact same about Palestinians?

No, I couldn’t say the exact same about Palastine.

Why do you ask?

Just now, London Wanderer said:

Answer yours first & stop playing games 😁

I did.🤷‍♂️

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

I did.🤷‍♂️

I agree with our govns definition of Hamas 👍 Their tactics are abhorrent 

I support Israel’s right to self defence. Their current government’s tactics however, are also abhorrent.

I think that until Israel return stolen land, stop taking more land, & recognise Palestine as a state, that Palestinians have a right to resist. As any nation under occupation would.

 Hope that negates the need for any more questions 🙂

 Hamas & some people wanting the eradication of Israel does not justify their approach. 

 

It’s a mess. Russia was no doubt our greatest friend in WW2 but you see some of the stuff they put their citizens through and it’s tough viewing.

History says it was correct as you can imagine what Hitler had planned for the poor sods if it would of gone the other way.

Feel the future could be the judge of the right or wrong here yet again.

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

No, I couldn’t say the exact same about Palastine.

Why do you ask?

Because the general gist of what you said also applies to the Palestinians.  🤷‍♂️

11 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

 

 Hamas & some people wanting the eradication of Israel does not justify their approach. 

 

Read that back to yourself and put UK instead of Israel. What would your approach be? 
Sorry for another question.

Edited May 25, 20242 yr by BobyBrno

23 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Read that back to yourself and put UK instead of Israel. What would your approach be? 
Sorry for another question.

There are extremists all over the world who call for the eradication of the UK. I wouldn’t wipe out thousands of innocent people because of extremists in their midsts. 
 

 

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

There are extremists all over the world who call for the eradication of the UK. I wouldn’t wipe out thousands of innocent people because of extremists in their midsts. 
 

 

Really?

We killed quite a few in Dresden. Retaliation for bombing our chippy’s (They did actually bomb Hick Hargreaves, where I used to work. Long before my time)
That’s just one example. In fact there are many others. Any idea of the numbers in Iraq, Afghanistan?

Believe me, we and others haven’t held back in the killing stakes when attacked. 

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Really?

We killed quite a few in Dresden. Retaliation for bombing our chippy’s (They did actually bomb Hick Hargreaves, where I used to work. Long before my time)
That’s just one example. In fact there are many others. Any idea of the numbers in Iraq, Afghanistan?

Believe me, we and others haven’t held back in the killing stakes when attacked. 

I’m not saying we have held back.

 you asked me what my approach would be.

As Biden said to Netanyahu… “don’t make the same mistakes we did”.

There isn’t really a justification for what Israel have done. And it certainly won’t eradicate Hamas. Nor will it make them safer in the long run. 

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Really?

We killed quite a few in Dresden. Retaliation for bombing our chippy’s (They did actually bomb Hick Hargreaves, where I used to work. Long before my time)
That’s just one example. In fact there are many others. Any idea of the numbers in Iraq, Afghanistan?

Believe me, we and others haven’t held back in the killing stakes when attacked. 

Bollocks 

You cannot for one second compare Britain's and Europe's response to Nazi Germany to Israel's response to Hamas

Absolute fucking nonsense