Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both?

 

24 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Today's thing that definitely didn't happen.......

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnvmry71q5yo

Americans for you, and yes they have previous for this. 

Not just the Americans

 The IDF as well

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-deliberately-at-unarmed-gazans-waiting-for-humanitarian-aid/00000197-ad8e-de01-a39f-ffbe33780000

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/27/israeli-soldiers-ordered-fire-civilians-aid-war-crimes-idf/
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9vveg0vp9o.amp
 

Orders coming from the top down. Brutal.

 Don’t call it ethnic cleansing or genocide though. That would be silly 🙄

I’d also like to use this opportunity to condemn everything that’s happening in Sudan 👍

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Not just the Americans

 The IDF as well

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-deliberately-at-unarmed-gazans-waiting-for-humanitarian-aid/00000197-ad8e-de01-a39f-ffbe33780000

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/27/israeli-soldiers-ordered-fire-civilians-aid-war-crimes-idf/
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9vveg0vp9o.amp
 

Orders coming from the top down. Brutal.

 Don’t call it ethnic cleansing or genocide though. That would be silly 🙄

I’d also like to use this opportunity to condemn everything that’s happening in Sudan 👍

it's a fucking holocaust is what it is

28 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Not just the Americans

 The IDF as well

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-deliberately-at-unarmed-gazans-waiting-for-humanitarian-aid/00000197-ad8e-de01-a39f-ffbe33780000

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/27/israeli-soldiers-ordered-fire-civilians-aid-war-crimes-idf/
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9vveg0vp9o.amp
 

Orders coming from the top down. Brutal.

 Don’t call it ethnic cleansing or genocide though. That would be silly 🙄

I’d also like to use this opportunity to condemn everything that’s happening in Sudan 👍

And Hamas. Your forgot (rather predictably) to mention Hamas 

19 minutes ago, royal white said:

And Hamas. Your forgot (rather predictably) to mention Hamas 

and Sudan

37 minutes ago, royal white said:

And Hamas. Your forgot (rather predictably) to mention Hamas 

Is there any evidence for this? 

I'm not saying it's not happening - I've just not seen it being reported anywhere?

33 minutes ago, Zico said:

and Sudan

No I mentioned Sudan mate

 It’s Hamas I’ve got to keep condemning. Even though we all know what they are.

Even though it’s not Hamas they’ve been massacring at aid distribution centres.

I think I’ll just have a sign off list that I attach  to each post. One that condemns Hamas, Sudan, The Americans & anything else that Whatabout Master Deflector comes out with.

 The lengths some people go to to avoid accepting Israel are out of line is bonkers. It’s the equivalent of me or you trying to justify Oct 7th. 

 

24 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Is there any evidence for this? 

I'm not saying it's not happening - I've just not seen it being reported anywhere?

 

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

No I mentioned Sudan mate

 It’s Hamas I’ve got to keep condemning. Even though we all know what they are.

Even though it’s not Hamas they’ve been massacring at aid distribution centres.

I think I’ll just have a sign off list that I attach  to each post. One that condemns Hamas, Sudan, The Americans & anything else that Whatabout Master Deflector comes out with.

 The lengths some people go to to avoid accepting Israel are out of line is bonkers. It’s the equivalent of me or you trying to justify Oct 7th. 

 

Hell bent on blaming everyone but HAMAS 🤷🏻

23 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Is there any evidence for this? 

I'm not saying it's not happening - I've just not seen it being reported anywhere?

It was reported before, after initial claims it was someone else..

Ultimately, anyone committing such things ought to be brought to justice. 

In any conflict, deliberately targeting civilians isn't acceptable. 

We have done the odd few of our own for crimes against prisoners in Iraq iirc.

Attacking legitimate military targets isn't a war crime though. Especially when notice is given that a particular place will be struck.

Of course any civilian losses are terrible, but again they're not a war crime. 

Whether the continued air strikes are now an efficient/effective method of striking Hamas is open to debate.

Military experts will have a better informed view on that, but you can bet they won't all agree.

3 hours ago, royal white said:

Americans for you, and yes they have previous for this. 

Watched it on BBC News (glutton for punishment). That bird is always seeking out shite like this. They are supposed to be unbiased. What a load of BS that is. Anyone can say anything. Just more pro Palestinian propaganda from the BBC.

Might as well have UNRWA reporting. They assist Hamas too.

1 hour ago, royal white said:

And Hamas. Your forgot (rather predictably) to mention Hamas 

...and local warlords with their militia's. Par for the course from #theusuals.

Doesn’t matter what word it technically is called , Holocaust or Genocide 
 

Think  most support Isreals right to exist without threats of terrorism , and even their right to react , but fuck me what they’re doing in Gaza , as a so called democracy, aided and abetted by western governments is a fucking slaughter , fuck me lads, anyone trying to claim Isreal has any justification here is in cloud cuckoo land or on the wind up . 
 

 

 

40 minutes ago, fatolive said:

Doesn’t matter what word it technically is called , Holocaust or Genocide 
 

Think  most support Isreals right to exist without threats of terrorism , and even their right to react , but fuck me what they’re doing in Gaza , as a so called democracy, aided and abetted by western governments is a fucking slaughter , fuck me lads, anyone trying to claim Isreal has any justification here is in cloud cuckoo land or on the wind up . 
 

 

 

You anti-Semitic bastard!

Because Hamas are terrorists, the IDF should be free to just level Gaza killing everyone in the way to hopefully get some of the evil bastards.

Cloud cuckoo land  it must be. This isn’t one of his wind ups. Just pure ignorance and naivety. 

Nobody has said Hamas shouldn’t take a proportion of the blame. What an odd statement to suggest that folk are ignoring them.

We know who they are. We know their vile tactics. Nobody on here has ever defended them.

Israel are supposed to be democracy & a western ally. There’s widespread evidence of them now committing war crimes and deliberately targeting civilians. Growing numbers of military experts are calling them out for what they are.

A heavily biased IDF video isn’t evidence otherwise either. 

Israel have committed atrocities equally as bad as Hamas & folk are still attempting to justify it because of Oct 7th. And with no recognition of the war crimes & illegal occupations that Israel have been involved in before Oct 7th. They have also been escalating the situation. 

 Yet the defence still goes on …. Starting to wonder why ? 

 

Edited July 4, 2025Jul 4 by London Wanderer

1 hour ago, royal white said:

 

So here's my reaction to this video. It sounds very carefully worded to sound genuine and without any deliberate or easily disputable lies. 

However. 

"Efforts are constantly being made to avoid harm to Gaza'n civilians, while dozens of terrorists are being successfully eliminated." Firstly. He can get fucked. They've killed about 50,000 so far. Not sure this is worth dozens of terrorists? And he might well have the best intentions in the world, but I'm not sure it's making it through to the IDF soldiers on the ground if the videos, recording, social media clips and testimony are to be believed.

"According to initial findings" (whose initial findings?) "the IDF did not fire at civilians within the aid distribution centres" (so did they fire at them outside of the aid distribution centres?) 

"Hamas is spreading false information which is unfortunately being echoed by the international media" (Simple solution is to allow independent international media into Gaza) "without verification" (not true - BBC verify are all over it). 

That's me applying a bit of critical thinking. Happy to do the same with a Hamas response if you can find one. 

Presumably you're not just taking this video at face value either? 

Edited July 4, 2025Jul 4 by kent_white

8 minutes ago, kent_white said:

So here's my reaction to this video. It sounds very carefully worded to sound genuine and without any deliberate or easily disputable lies. 

However. 

"Efforts are constantly being made to avoid harm to Gaza'n civilians, while dozens of terrorists are being successfully eliminated." Firstly. He can get fucked. They've killed about 50,000 so far. Not sure this is worth dozens of terrorists? And he might well have the best intentions in the world, but I'm not sure it's making it through to the IDF soldiers on the ground if the videos, recording, social media clips and testimony are to be believed.

"According to initial findings" (whose initial findings?) "the IDF did not fire at civilians within the aid distribution centres" (so did they fire at them outside of the aid distribution centres?) 

"Hamas is spreading false information which is unfortunately being echoed by the international media" (Simple solution is to allow independent international media into Gaza) "without verification" (not true - BBC verify are all over it). 

That's me applying a bit of critical thinking. Happy to do the same with a Hamas response if you can find one. 

Presumably you're not just taking this video at face value either? 

It’s hard who to believe isn’t it. Disgruntled anonymous former employees, Hamas Run agencies, UN with Hamas working for them or the IDF

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

It’s hard who to believe isn’t it. Disgruntled anonymous former employees, Hamas Run agencies, UN with Hamas working for them or the IDF

No need to patronise me mate. I'm trying to have a serious conversation with you. Yes, it's hard to know who to believe without independent organisations or journalists on the ground. But out of the ones you've mentioned - I'd take the UN as they're not an active combatant. 

I remember something about a Hamas affiliate working for the UN in some capacity. I imagine it's almost impossible to eliminate that risk entirely - especially if the work you're doing means that you need to recruit Palestinians. I also imagine there's some Israelis working for them as well.

But I think anybody using that fact to discredit an entire organisation is being infantile quite frankly. 

I imagine there are some terrorists working for the NHS. There's a good chance there's a few in the British army too. 

35 minutes ago, kent_white said:

No need to patronise me mate. I'm trying to have a serious conversation with you. Yes, it's hard to know who to believe without independent organisations or journalists on the ground. But out of the ones you've mentioned - I'd take the UN as they're not an active combatant. 

I remember something about a Hamas affiliate working for the UN in some capacity. I imagine it's almost impossible to eliminate that risk entirely - especially if the work you're doing means that you need to recruit Palestinians. I also imagine there's some Israelis working for them as well.

But I think anybody using that fact to discredit an entire organisation is being infantile quite frankly. 

I imagine there are some terrorists working for the NHS. There's a good chance there's a few in the British army too. 

I’m not patronising. All of them have form for lying who do you believe .🤷🏻

 

As for the UN. 9 UN workers were involved in the Oct 7th attack. The UN  buildings in Gaza had tunnels going though them. Do the terrorists over here have tunnels running through Townleys? I’m taking what they say with a pinch of salt 

Edited July 4, 2025Jul 4 by royal white

1 hour ago, fatolive said:

Doesn’t matter what word it technically is called , Holocaust or Genocide 
 

Think  most support Isreals right to exist without threats of terrorism , and even their right to react , but fuck me what they’re doing in Gaza , as a so called democracy, aided and abetted by western governments is a fucking slaughter , fuck me lads, anyone trying to claim Isreal has any justification here is in cloud cuckoo land or on the wind up . 
 

 

 

Another resorting to a touch of pedestal standing.

You have your view, others differ.

Doesn't make you or them superior to anyone.

Fwiw, Gaza wasn't being run as a democracy neither.

59 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Israel have committed atrocities equally as bad as Hamas & folk are still attempting to justify it because of Oct 7th. And with no recognition of the war crimes & illegal occupations that Israel have been involved in before Oct 7th. They have also been escalating the situation. 

Cloud cuckoo land  it must be. This isn’t one of his wind ups. Just pure ignorance and naivety. 

 

 

Works both ways.

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Another resorting to a touch of pedestal standing.

You have your view, others differ.

Doesn't make you or them superior to anyone.

Fwiw, Gaza wasn't being run as a democracy neither.

Fucking pedestal standing? The irony of that mate given the tone of that response 

doesn’t say or claim I’m superior opinion to anyone, it’s a fucking slaughter was my point ,  if you agree with the reasons for it or not doesn’t change the fact that it is one. 
and I know Gaza wasn’t being run as a democracy either, Jesus , doesn’t mean democracies should resort to same . 
my God that’s a pretty weak response tbh and resorting to the old “ you think your superior “ jibe .  
 

 

 

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

So here's my reaction to this video. It sounds very carefully worded to sound genuine and without any deliberate or easily disputable lies. 

However. 

"Efforts are constantly being made to avoid harm to Gaza'n civilians, while dozens of terrorists are being successfully eliminated." Firstly. He can get fucked. They've killed about 50,000 so far. Not sure this is worth dozens of terrorists? And he might well have the best intentions in the world, but I'm not sure it's making it through to the IDF soldiers on the ground if the videos, recording, social media clips and testimony are to be believed.

"According to initial findings" (whose initial findings?) "the IDF did not fire at civilians within the aid distribution centres" (so did they fire at them outside of the aid distribution centres?) 

"Hamas is spreading false information which is unfortunately being echoed by the international media" (Simple solution is to allow independent international media into Gaza) "without verification" (not true - BBC verify are all over it). 

That's me applying a bit of critical thinking. Happy to do the same with a Hamas response if you can find one. 

Presumably you're not just taking this video at face value either? 

I've not watched the video yet

the reported death toll is currently 57,000

injured is 134,600

1.9M displaced because their houses have been destroyed

now

i know those figures are questionabke

actual deviation in the past has been show to be between 1.5% to 4%

even if you knock those numbers down by 10%, they are very high

and is he suggesting, that in doing all that, they've managed to kill "dozens" of hama terrorists?

17 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Works both ways.

what did you think of the plan i posted the link to yesterday that you were previously unaware of?  

the one to conquer gaza and displace the population?

the one confirmed by BN and his ministers?

9 minutes ago, Zico said:

I've not watched the video yet

the reported death toll is currently 57,000

injured is 134,600

1.9M displaced because their houses have been destroyed

now

i know those figures are questionabke

actual deviation in the past has been show to be between 1.5% to 4%

even if you knock those numbers down by 10%, they are very high

and is he suggesting, that in doing all that, they've managed to kill "dozens" of hama terrorists?

No