Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both?

 

21 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

Since foundation its neighbours have fought against its right to exist, 

On the other hand

 

9 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Absolutely, many folk conveniently forget that certain folk want to obliterate Israel and deprive it of the right to exist, as is clearly stated on the Hamas Covenant. Once they realise this undisputed proof, then the sooner they can actually understand 

IDF

Israeli DEFENCE Forces. 

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

IDF

Israeli DEFENCE Forces. 

😂

8 minutes ago, Zico said:

On the other hand

 

A simple yes or no here fella, do Israel want to obliterate other nations and want to deprive them of their right to exist ?

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

A simple yes or no here fella, do Israel want to obliterate other nations and want to deprive them of their right to exist ?

Yes

Palestine 

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

A simple yes or no here fella, do Israel want to obliterate other nations and want to deprive them of their right to exist ?

The map suggests they do.

Just now, Zico said:

Yes

Palestine 

Have they stated that in a covenant ? Yes or no ?

Just now, peelyfeet said:

The map suggests they do.

A map suggests ? As I said to Zico, have they stated that in a covenant ? Yes or no ?  

4 hours ago, kent_white said:

They had a lot of options but went for the nuclear (well maybe just short of nuclear). 

I think the most justifiable would have been a targeted-intensive campaign. More intensive than limited strikes but not a broad campaign. Mainly aimed at prioritising hostage rescue, eliminating Hamas leadership structure (we already know they're world class at this), destroying the tunnel network, but avoiding civilian population centres unless they had absolutely no choice. 

Appreciate what a tough position it was for Israel at the time - but I'd argue this would have been proportionate and kept most of the international community onside. Including me. And maybe quite a few of my ilk on here too. Maybe even Bob Vylan 😁

467 people (mainly civilians) are being killed every day since the war began based on estimates that are now a couple of months old. Even using conservative estimates - it's the most deadly conflict in terms of daily deaths in 21st century warfare. 

Ukraine is about 270 deaths per day including both sides and civilians. 190 a day during the blitz. We haven't seen carnage on this scale since world war 2. 

And just because we all like to compare things to Sudan for some reason. There's about 61 civilian deaths from military action a day there. Although far more from famine.

So there's lots of ways Israel could have chosen to minimise casualties if they'd chosen to do so. 

And I'm really hoping the numbers quoted above make you rethink your position on this. Maybe the press just haven't been very good at explaining quite the level of carnage inside Gaza. 

Or maybe they have - but some people just choose not to listen/understand/believe 

 

You really can’t compare it with Ukraine 

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

Have they stated that in a covenant ? Yes or no ?

Yes

I'll post it for fourth time as you must've missed it previously 

https://theconversation.com/what-does-netanyahus-plan-for-conquering-gaza-mean-for-israel-palestine-and-their-neighbours-expert-qanda-256150

 

The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has announced that the Israeli military will launch a new “intensified” offensive in Gaza. In a video posted on X, he said Israel’s security cabinet had approved a plan for “conquering” the Gaza Strip and establishing a “sustained presence” there.

 

This announcement was well-received by far-right ministers in the Netanyahu government. Finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, has since declared that an Israeli victory in Gaza would see the territory “entirely destroyed” and its residents “concentrated” in the south. From there, they would “start to leave in great numbers to third countries”.

 

The plan, which Palestinian militant group Hamas says represents “an explicit decision to sacrifice” Israeli hostages, far exceeds the aims Israel has been pursuing in the war so far. It has drawn widespread criticism, including from the UK, France, EU and UN, as well as from within Israel

1 minute ago, Zico said:

Yes

I'll post it for fourth time as you must've missed it previously 

https://theconversation.com/what-does-netanyahus-plan-for-conquering-gaza-mean-for-israel-palestine-and-their-neighbours-expert-qanda-256150

 

The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has announced that the Israeli military will launch a new “intensified” offensive in Gaza. In a video posted on X, he said Israel’s security cabinet had approved a plan for “conquering” the Gaza Strip and establishing a “sustained presence” there.

 

This announcement was well-received by far-right ministers in the Netanyahu government. Finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, has since declared that an Israeli victory in Gaza would see the territory “entirely destroyed” and its residents “concentrated” in the south. From there, they would “start to leave in great numbers to third countries”.

 

The plan, which Palestinian militant group Hamas says represents “an explicit decision to sacrifice” Israeli hostages, far exceeds the aims Israel has been pursuing in the war so far. It has drawn widespread criticism, including from the UK, France, EU and UN, as well as from within Israel

Huge difference in that speech and the Hamas Covenant as you full well know

Even if the Prime Minister and all his top cabinet members have said it out loud with the support of every Zionist, and all of the actions of their military clearly show that's exactly what they're doing, it doesn't count unless they've 'stated it in a covenant'. 🤦‍♂️

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

A map suggests ? As I said to Zico, have they stated that in a covenant ? Yes or no ?  

Actions speak louder than words. 

How's "Death to America" getting on? 

3 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Huge difference in that speech and the Hamas Covenant as you full well know

Yep 

It's not just a speech though is it

It's an approved plan which which they are carrying out

One to conquer Gaza by totally destroying it, displacing the population and then forcing them out

A simple yes or no here fella, do you think that's what Israel have been trying to do recently?

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Even if the Prime Minister and all his top cabinet members have said it out loud with the support of every Zionist, and all of the actions of their military clearly show that's exactly what they're doing, it doesn't count unless they've 'stated it in a covenant'. 🤦‍♂️

 

7 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Actions speak louder than words. 

How's "Death to America" getting on? 

Depopulation is totally different than obliteration, as you both know full well

1 minute ago, Zico said:

Yep 

It's not just a speech though is it

It's an approved plan which which they are carrying out

One to conquer Gaza by totally destroying it, displacing the population and then forcing them out

A simple yes or no here fella, do you think that's what Israel have been trying to do recently?

See above 

Just now, miamiwhite said:

Depopulation is totally different than obliteration, as you both know full well

So you admit they're "de-populating" Gaza. And how are they going about that?

Just now, Cheese said:

So you admit they're "de-populating" Gaza. And how are they going about that?

Have i said they're not de-populating ? Yes or no ?  As to your 2nd question.....by not obliterating them. See Zico's link for an example

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

Have i said they're not de-populating ? Yes or no ?  As to your 2nd question.....by not obliterating them. See Zico's link for an example

No. So they're "de-populating" Gaza by "not obliterating" them? How are they doing it then?

5 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

 

Depopulation is totally different than obliteration, as you both know full well

It's not surprising for occupied people to want their occupiers to do one and give them their land back really though is it.

2 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

It's not surprising for occupied people to want their occupiers to do one and give them their land back really though is it.

Is that the best you can say 😂 

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

No. So they're "de-populating" Gaza by "not obliterating" them? How are they doing it then?

Read Zico's link very closely, though I'm sure he'll post it again ☺ 

16 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

See above 

How is trying to remove all Palestinians from Palestine, whilst killing 10s of 000s in the process not seen as depriving their right to exist?

I'm not disputing Hamas want all Jews dead and / or out of Palestine

you're disputing Israel want all Palestinians dead and / or out of Israel

that map and the actions of Israel since it's inception, I think back up my point that is exactly what they are doing 

1 minute ago, Zico said:

How is trying to remove all Palestinians from Palestine, whilst killing 10s of 000s in the process not seen as depriving their right to exist?

I'm not disputing Hamas want all Jews dead and / or out of Palestine

you're disputing Israel want all Palestine dead and / or out of Isreal

that map and the actions of Israel , I think back up my point

Have you got actual proof that Israel want all Palestinians dead ? I'll happily dispute that fella 

As I've said depopulation is totally different than obliteration as you full well know

1 hour ago, miamiwhite said:

Is that the best you can say 😂 

If England was occupied by a load of American Irish who decided to move back to Britain to make it celtic again and they forced us to live on Anglesey and bombed the shit out of it with American bombs, I think we might be a tad pissed off with them.

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