Meanwhile in Israel

[miamiwhite]

3 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Not really. Genocide isn’t that simplistic. It’s up for debate.

No idea how anyone can look at Gaza, The West Bank and Israel’s open plan and still dispute whether it’s ethnic cleansing or not. 
 

I see what you're trying to say, ...but.....when the Hamas Charter/Covenant from 1988 is brought into play, seriously fella, what can you expect ?  Do you expect them to lie down and take it like a pansy FFS

Oh, please don't give me the bollocks that Hamas changed their Covenant in 2017....due to funding requirements obviously 

 

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, tomski said:

This isn’t quite right. Especially in Poland. They hated them. I think in a best case scenario they’d of had them at servants/2nd class citizens. They wanted to clear the east for the spread of Germans. Likely west in to France too.

Correct. 'Lebensraum'.

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, Zico said:

What do you think they are trying to do when they flatten Gaza

Get baddies. All all costs.

[kent_white]

3 hours ago, royal white said:

You said a dozen terrorists wasn’t worth 50k deaths. No one said it was and that wasn’t what he was claiming.

 

And no one in the video made out they killed Hamas in the aid queue. How you managed to come to a few dozen from that video is beyond me 🤷🏻

I know that. What I'm doing is listening to what this man is saying - and then using my brain to try to analyse whether what he's saying sounds plausible - or if whats being said is just a sanitised version of the truth that the IDF want us all to hear. 

Presumably you're just taking it all at face value (which is entirely your perogative). So you think that they've not opened fire on anybody in an aid distribution queue, and they do their absolute best to minimise civilian casualties, and they've also killed a few dozen Hamas since the food distribution centres have been opened. And also that it's Hamas that are firing on their own people and that anybody who claims otherwise (including the media) is just parroting Hamas propaganda? 

Have I got that right? 

[royal white]

4 hours ago, kent_white said:

I know that. What I'm doing is listening to what this man is saying - and then using my brain to try to analyse whether what he's saying sounds plausible - or if whats being said is just a sanitised version of the truth that the IDF want us all to hear. 

Presumably you're just taking it all at face value (which is entirely your perogative). So you think that they've not opened fire on anybody in an aid distribution queue, and they do their absolute best to minimise civilian casualties, and they've also killed a few dozen Hamas since the food distribution centres have been opened. And also that it's Hamas that are firing on their own people and that anybody who claims otherwise (including the media) is just parroting Hamas propaganda? 

Have I got that right? 

I thinks it’s very plausible  that they have killed a few dozen Hamas in a recent Operation that they have taken part in what had nothing to do with food distribution.

I also think that if they had killed a few dozen Hamas in the food queue they would be all over that  and using it to their advantage as a “we told You so” but they haven’t. They admitted to opening up on civilians. Which they also said Hamas have been doing and included the video.

As for “they’ve killed 50000 so far that’s not worth a dozen terrorists” that’s completely false and again I’ve no idea where you have got that from? 

Edited July 5, 2025 by royal white

[London Wanderer]

7 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Get baddies. All all costs.

And least Bolty just says it how it is. Rather than wasting time denying it is happening. 

[London Wanderer]

8 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

I see what you're trying to say, ...but.....when the Hamas Charter/Covenant from 1988 is brought into play, seriously fella, what can you expect ?  Do you expect them to lie down and take it like a pansy FFS

Oh, please don't give me the bollocks that Hamas changed their Covenant in 2017....due to funding requirements obviously 

 

Like a pansy 😄

Absolutely not mate. Nobody on here has said that Israel has no right to self defence. Not once have I said they shouldn't have gone into Gaza to target Hamas. I fully expected some civilian deaths. 

The argument (over the past million pages) has been that Israel have gone far beyond self defence. And those arguing it is only self defence have conveniently ignored events in this conflict before October 7th and the agenda of this extremist government. 

Watch Louis Theroux's The Settlers - Look at the settler and occupation policies coming from the top down in the Israeli government - Look at the brutally of what is happening in the West Bank - Look at the increasing amount of land Israel are taking for themselves - Look at their deliberate targeting of innocent civilians, paramedics and journalists - Look at their refusal to accept journalists in to report on what's happening - Look at the Administrative Detention policy of detaining innocent people with no right to trial - Look at the evidence of torture in Israeli prisons - Look at the blocking of civilian aid.

Now take the time to look at that ridiculous list mate and try telling me they are not as bad as Hamas, with no further agendas. Much of this has been happening long before October 7th, often in areas where Hamas don't operate. 

The 'scriptures' and tactics coming from the extremists in power in Israel are just as bad as anything Hamas has produced. 

[peelyfeet]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

I thinks it’s very plausible  that they have killed a few dozen Hamas in a recent Operation that they have taken part in what had nothing to do with food distribution.

I also think that if they had killed a few dozen Hamas in the food queue they would be all over that  and using it to their advantage as a “we told You so” but they haven’t. They admitted to opening up on civilians. Which they also said Hamas have been doing and included the video.

As for “they’ve killed 50000 so far that’s not worth a dozen terrorists” that’s completely false and again I’ve no idea where you have got that from? 

How come they've banned foreign press from entering Gaza for 20 months? 

What's the rationale behind that one?

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

How come they've banned foreign press from entering Gaza for 20 months? 

What's the rationale behind that one?

They don’t want them getting injured 👀😉

[BobyBrno]

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/crime/jewish-community-feels-terror-over-synagogue-and-israeli-restaurant-attack-in-melbourne/video/1376a7b48262adf128da803a5307c124#
 

Feel free to make comparisons. They chanted ‘death to the IDF’ I doubt any were inside. 

[wanderer1984]

14 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

No idea how anyone can look at Gaza, The West Bank and Israel’s open plan and still dispute whether it’s ethnic cleansing or not. 

It isn't that simplistic. It's up for debate 

[London Wanderer]

5 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

It isn't that simplistic. It's up for debate 

Everything’s up for debate my man 😊

Now copy & paste the definition of ethnic cleansing

Copy and paste Israel’s latest plan for Gaza.

Look at the evictions, harassment & illegal settlements in the West Bank.

& let’s hear your argument for it not being ethnic cleansing ? Be genuinely interested to hear how you’d describe it. 

[wanderer1984]

13 hours ago, Zico said:

They are killing and displacing Palestinians because they want the land for themselves 

Nah, they're doing this because of 7th Oct.

Wipe out Hamas & Want the 50 hostages back.

[Zico]

4 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Nah, they're doing this because of 7th Oct.

Wipe out Hamas & Want the 50 hostages back.

I'll post it again then as you must've missed it yesterday

https://theconversation.com/what-does-netanyahus-plan-for-conquering-gaza-mean-for-israel-palestine-and-their-neighbours-expert-qanda-256150

The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has announced that the Israeli military will launch a new “intensified” offensive in Gaza. In a video posted on X, he said Israel’s security cabinet had approved a plan for “conquering” the Gaza Strip and establishing a “sustained presence” there.

This announcement was well-received by far-right ministers in the Netanyahu government. Finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, has since declared that an Israeli victory in Gaza would see the territory “entirely destroyed” and its residents “concentrated” in the south. From there, they would “start to leave in great numbers to third countries”.

The plan, which Palestinian militant group Hamas says represents “an explicit decision to sacrifice” Israeli hostages, far exceeds the aims Israel has been pursuing in the war so far. It has drawn widespread criticism, including from the UK, France, EU and UN, as well as from within Israel

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Nah, they're doing this because of 7th Oct.

Wipe out Hamas & Want the 50 hostages back.

Whilst Hamas are still operational and killing folk and whilst the hostages are still held captive then I can’t see Israel stopping, which is what they said they would do from the start 

[London Wanderer]

11 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Nah, they're doing this because of 7th Oct.

Wipe out Hamas & Want the 50 hostages back.

You’re completely ignoring the illegal occupations, evictions & land encroachments pre Oct 7. 

[Zico]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

Whilst Hamas are still operational and killing folk and whilst the hostages are still held captive then I can’t see Israel stopping, which is what they said they would do from the start 

See post above for details of the "new" plan 

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, Zico said:

See post above for details of the "new" plan 

Palestinians had better hope these third countries start taking them in then. 

[London Wanderer]

https://rsf.org/en/one-year-gaza-how-israel-orchestrated-media-blackout-region-war

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

How come they've banned foreign press from entering Gaza for 20 months? 

What's the rationale behind that one?

Pretty simple I would say. You have to be stupid OR choosing not to see the bias displayed by, say, the BBC. Reprehensible.

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/crime/jewish-community-feels-terror-over-synagogue-and-israeli-restaurant-attack-in-melbourne/video/1376a7b48262adf128da803a5307c124#
 

Feel free to make comparisons. They chanted ‘death to the IDF’ I doubt any were inside. 

Bugger. I should have checked this thread first. Ah well, a doubler for emphasis. Hopefully your video shows the dopey fucker who went back to the scene of the crime giving in Billy Bagelbollocks.

[Zico]

17 minutes ago, royal white said:

Palestinians had better hope these third countries start taking them in then. 

Israel too 

Otherwise they might have to just start indiscriminately killing the displaced folk who have nowhere else to go

And that wouldn't look good, would it

[bolty58]

10 minutes ago, royal white said:

Palestinians had better hope these third countries start taking them in then. 

Surely Gary Lineker and a few off here can help out?

[kent_white]

5 hours ago, royal white said:

I thinks it’s very plausible  that they have killed a few dozen Hamas in a recent Operation that they have taken part in what had nothing to do with food distribution.

I also think that if they had killed a few dozen Hamas in the food queue they would be all over that  and using it to their advantage as a “we told You so” but they haven’t. They admitted to opening up on civilians. Which they also said Hamas have been doing and included the video.

As for “they’ve killed 50000 so far that’s not worth a dozen terrorists” that’s completely false and again I’ve no idea where you have got that from? 

My point was - if they have killed 50,000 civilians (appreciate that that's a contested figure - but it's likely to be there or there about) - that the idea that they do their best to protect civilians seems like absolute gaslighting. 

[bolty58]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

My point was - if they have killed 50,000 civilians (appreciate that that's a contested figure - but it's likely to be there or there about) - that the idea that they do their best to protect civilians seems like absolute gaslighting. 

Condemn the hiders not the seekers. It is they are are putting your innocents in harms way.