Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both?

 

2 hours ago, royal white said:

Have you watched the video?  You’ve given 2 long winded replies which totally contradict what’s said in the video. 

Yes I watched it twice. That's how I was able to critically analyse it. 

And yes - I have contradicted parts of what we're being claimed in the video. Which I think is largely propaganda. 

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Yes probably. I very much doubt it was Antonio Gutteres.

Are you saying that you think that there are people in the higher echelons of the UN that are sanctioning murder? 

I think there’s people working in the UN who have probably been stationed in Palestine for many years, and are higher up than someone dropping parcels off, who are not what you’d expect of a UN employees 

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

Yes I watched it twice. That's how I was able to critically analyse it. 

And yes - I have contradicted parts of what we're being claimed in the video. Which I think is largely propaganda. 

So if the first few seconds he explained that they had been carrying out an OP that week that resulted in the deaths of dozens of Hamas. You somehow managed to bring up the deaths of 1000s implying the deaths of a few dozen is not comparable to the deaths of 1000s ? And then you said you think that they killed dozens whilst shooting at people Queuing for aid, how did you manage to reach that conclusion? 

60,000 of a 2.1m population have been killed over a 21 month period ... nearly 3%. In a area with just a 140 mile radius.

Daft to call it genocide imo.

Is what's happening in Ukraine classed as genocide by the same people? Just as many have been killed ... maybe more. I don't think it is.

 

4 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

60,000 of a 2.1m population have been killed over a 21 month period ... nearly 3%. In a area with just a 140 mile radius.

Daft to call it genocide imo.

Is what's happening in Ukraine classed as genocide by the same people? Just as many have been killed ... maybe more. I don't think it is.

 

No one is out there sticking up for Russia though apart from utter crackpots

2 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

60,000 of a 2.1m population have been killed over a 21 month period ... nearly 3%. In a area with just a 140 mile radius.

Daft to call it genocide imo.

Is what's happening in Ukraine classed as genocide by the same people? Just as many have been killed ... maybe more. I don't think it is.

 

I looked at the figures too. 

The population of 2.1m was at the end of 2024.

One stat says that was a drop of 6%.

Then the figure you quote for the first 6 months.

These figures don't differentiate between civilians and terrorists.

The war is brutal, cruel, and no doubt punctuated by some illegal events that should be investigated and dealt with-though they probably never will.

One thing is clear though, it is not an attempt to wipe out the people. 

11 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

One thing is clear though, it is not an attempt to wipe out the people. 

🤣🤣🤣

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I looked at the figures too. 

The population of 2.1m was at the end of 2024.

One stat says that was a drop of 6%.

Then the figure you quote for the first 6 months.

These figures don't differentiate between civilians and terrorists.

The war is brutal, cruel, and no doubt punctuated by some illegal events that should be investigated and dealt with-though they probably never will.

One thing is clear though, it is not an attempt to wipe out the people. 

Utter bollocks once again

Ethnic Cleansing - The mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another.

You can kill tens of thousands; deliberately make their homeland uninhabitable; block aid and start to implement a plan to permanently displace them - and absolutely meet the criteria for ethnic cleansing. History is filled with similar examples where it is classed as such.

@wanderer1984 makes a good point to question the case for genocide. I might disagree with him, but I can understand why it’s up for debate. The Ukraine comparison is an odd one though.

But to deny that Israel want to permanently displace Palestinians and take the land for themselves is just outright ignorance of the plain facts.

 

13 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

One thing is clear though, it is definitely an attempt to wipe out the people. 

legalised terrorism is what it is.

1 minute ago, DazBob said:

🤣🤣🤣

One way of looking at his ridiculous comments 😅 I’m trying to be a bit more rational 

18 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

No one is out there sticking up for Russia though apart from utter crackpots

Does that matter? Its either genocide or not

11 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Does that matter? Its either genocide or not

Not really. Genocide isn’t that simplistic. It’s up for debate.

No idea how anyone can look at Gaza, The West Bank and Israel’s open plan and still dispute whether it’s ethnic cleansing or not. 
 

1 hour ago, royal white said:

So if the first few seconds he explained that they had been carrying out an OP that week that resulted in the deaths of dozens of Hamas. You somehow managed to bring up the deaths of 1000s implying the deaths of a few dozen is not comparable to the deaths of 1000s ? And then you said you think that they killed dozens whilst shooting at people Queuing for aid, how did you manage to reach that conclusion? 

I don't really understand what argument you're making - sorry mate. 

I was saying that I don't think for one moment the IDF do their best to minimise civilian casualties - as is evidenced by the massive death toll of innocents and children. 

I'm trying to make sense of the bollocks that the guy is talking in the video. If anything I'm trying to suspend my disbelief. 

I think the most likely scenario is that they killed are few dozen Hamas in amongst lots of innocent people that they also killed in a food distribution centre that they set up. 

I'm not saying that the IDF have killed thousands of people at food distribution centres in the past week or two. 

57 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Does that matter? Its either genocide or not

I might be wrong

Way I see it 

Russia want the land and whilst they have to kill to get it, because Ukraine will fight back, they're ultimately not bothered if Ukrainians live there or not, they can stay if they want, but they went the land to be Russia 

Like when Germany occupied Poland and France, they didn't want to wipe out or remove the French and the Poles, they just wanted to be in charge

The genocide Germany did was the deliberate killing of the Jews, they just didn't like them or want them hanging around 

Israel want the land for themselves, and more importantly in terms of genocide they want all the Palestinians out of there, whether that's by killing them or displacing them and forcing them out, they want the land for Israel and Israel alone

And they've admitted exactly that

Trump even posted a video having a laugh about it

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

I might be wrong

Way I see it 

Russia want the land and whilst they have to kill to get it, because Ukraine will fight back, they're ultimately not bothered if Ukrainians live there or not, they can stay if they want, but they went the land to be Russia 

Like when Germany occupied Poland and France, they just wanted to be in charge, they didn't want to wipe out the French and the Poles

The genocide Germany did was the deliberate killing of the Jews, they just didn't like them or want them hanging around 

Israel want the land for themselves, and more importantly in terms of genocide they want all the Palestinians out of there, whether that's by killing them or displacing them and forcing them out, they went the land for Israel and Israel alone

And they've admitted exactly that

This isn’t quite right. Especially in Poland. They hated them. I think in a best case scenario they’d of had them at servants/2nd class citizens. They wanted to clear the east for the spread of Germans. Likely west in to France too.

1 minute ago, tomski said:

This isn’t quite right. Especially in Poland. They hated them. I think in a best case scenario they’d of had them at servants/2nd class citizens. They wanted to clear the east for the spread of Germans. Likely west in to France too.

So why didn't they just kill them all like they did the Jews?

10 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I don't really understand what argument you're making - sorry mate. 

I was saying that I don't think for one moment the IDF do their best to minimise civilian casualties - as is evidenced by the massive death toll of innocents and children. 

I'm trying to make sense of the bollocks that the guy is talking in the video. If anything I'm trying to suspend my disbelief. 

I think the most likely scenario is that they killed are few dozen Hamas in amongst lots of innocent people that they also killed in a food distribution centre that they set up. 

I'm not saying that the IDF have killed thousands of people at food distribution centres in the past week or two. 

You said a dozen terrorists wasn’t worth 50k deaths. No one said it was and that wasn’t what he was claiming.

 

And no one in the video made out they killed Hamas in the aid queue. How you managed to come to a few dozen from that video is beyond me 🤷🏻

14 minutes ago, Zico said:

So why didn't they just kill them all like they did the Jews?

I’m not sure it’s quite so easy to wipe out  35m people to be honest. They gave it a good though

3 minutes ago, tomski said:

I’m not sure it’s quite so easy to wipe out  35m people to be honest. They gave it a good though

Aye, that's the point

They just wanted to be in charge of Poland, and all of Europe

They clearly couldn't kill all of Europe so take the land, and kill as many as you have to in order to control the people

We'd all be speaking German by now etc 

Jews on the other hand 

They absolutely did not want them in Europe and during the war killed 6m of the 9m in Europe

2 out of every 3 

That's the difference between what Russia are doing and what Israel are doing 

Russia aren't looking to remove all the Ukrainians from Ukraine 

Israel want to remove all the Palestinians from Israel 

7 minutes ago, Zico said:

Aye, that's the point

They just wanted to be in charge of Poland, and all of Europe

They clearly couldn't kill all of Europe so take the land, and kill as many as you have to in order to control the people

We'd all be speaking German by now etc 

Jews on the other hand 

They absolutely did not want them in Europe and during the war killed 6m of the 9m in Europe

2 out of every 3 

That's the difference between what Russia are doing and what Israel are doing 

Russia aren't looking to remove all the Ukrainians from Ukraine 

Israel want to remove all the Palestinians from Israel 

Polish, Slavic and Roma men were useful to the nazis to be used as forced labour, the women and young kids not so much.

The best some of them could hope for was a quick death, before the scientists got hold of them for 'experiments'

55 minutes ago, Zico said:

I might be wrong

Way I see it 

Russia want the land and whilst they have to kill to get it, because Ukraine will fight back, they're ultimately not bothered if Ukrainians live there or not, they can stay if they want, but they went the land to be Russia 

Like when Germany occupied Poland and France, they didn't want to wipe out or remove the French and the Poles, they just wanted to be in charge

The genocide Germany did was the deliberate killing of the Jews, they just didn't like them or want them hanging around 

Israel want the land for themselves, and more importantly in terms of genocide they want all the Palestinians out of there, whether that's by killing them or displacing them and forcing them out, they want the land for Israel and Israel alone

And they've admitted exactly that

Trump even posted a video having a laugh about it

So why not just wipe them all out which they could easily do?

Current rate of genocide 

3% in 21 months ... then what?

6% in 42 months 

9% 63 months ... 5 years 

Doesn't look like a genocide to me. 

1 hour ago, Zico said:

So why didn't they just kill them all like they did the Jews?

Why don't Israel do the same?

2 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

So why not just wipe them all out which they could easily do?

Current rate of genocide 

3% in 21 months ... then what?

6% in 42 months 

9% 63 months ... 5 years 

Doesn't look like a genocide to me. 

How could they easily do it?

They are killing and displacing Palestinians because they want the land for themselves 

Anyone who doesn't die will be forced to go and live somewhere else

They have officially announced this as their plan 

You can call  it whatever you want 

Genocide 

Holocaust 

Ethnic cleansing 

War crimes

Or Just one of them things that happens in war

Take your pick

4 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Why don't Israel do the same?

What do you think they are trying to do when they flatten Gaza, then when those without a home or food go to get aid are shot and killed?

3 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Not really. Genocide isn’t that simplistic. It’s up for debate.

No idea how anyone can look at Gaza, The West Bank and Israel’s open plan and still dispute whether it’s ethnic cleansing or not. 
 

I see what you're trying to say, ...but.....when the Hamas Charter/Covenant from 1988 is brought into play, seriously fella, what can you expect ?  Do you expect them to lie down and take it like a pansy FFS

Oh, please don't give me the bollocks that Hamas changed their Covenant in 2017....due to funding requirements obviously