Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both?

 

11 hours ago, Dimron said:

Thankfully our justice system isn't there to suit individual whims 

Unless Labour decide to follow the US Democrat model?

47 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

This MT?

 

 

As it's almost Christmas, will try to bring folk together as one, and what every Wanderers fan can agree on, with a joyous screenshot from the above clip, of that utter cunt Aldridge crying into the Anfield turf

11 hours ago, bolty58 said:

This MT?

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Dimron said:

 

The far-right extremists Smotrich and Katz at it again. More illegal settlements approved in the West Bank, openly admitting it’s to block a future Palestinian state. Never ending.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjg18xe0wwo

Edited December 21, 2025Dec 21 by Bertie

26 minutes ago, Bertie said:

The far-right extremists Smotrich and Katz at it again. More illegal settlements approved in the West Bank, openly admitting it’s to block a future Palestinian state. Never ending.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjg18xe0wwo

How will this affect the "peace deal" ?

2 hours ago, Dimron said:

How will this affect the "peace deal" ?

It won’t. They’ll never be peace as it stands.

Without a two state solution. And that won’t happen.

We might have all discussed this before once or twice…...

Edited December 21, 2025Dec 21 by Bertie

52 minutes ago, Bertie said:

It won’t. They’ll never be peace as it stands.

Without a two state solution. And that won’t happen.

We might have all discussed this before once or twice…...

It's circular isn't it?

1. Suppress the Palestines

2. Take their land

3. They eventually strike back 

4. Batter them back into the stone age

5. Declare peace

1. Suppress the Palestines 

2. Take their territory...

Ad infinitum

Trump gets Peace Prize and retires into his smug golf resort

1. Suppress the Palestines

2. Take their territory...

Netanyhiyu gets his pardon

100,000 die

1. Suppress the Palestines

2. Take their land.. 

 

 

57 minutes ago, Dimron said:

It's circular isn't it?

1. Suppress the Palestines

2. Take their land

3. They eventually strike back 

4. Batter them back into the stone age

5. Declare peace

1. Suppress the Palestines 

2. Take their territory...

Ad infinitum

Trump gets Peace Prize and retires into his smug golf resort

1. Suppress the Palestines

2. Take their territory...

Netanyhiyu gets his pardon

100,000 die

1. Suppress the Palestines

2. Take their land.. 

 

 

Poor Hamas 😪

16 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Poor Hamas 😪

And the winners are?

Just now, Dimron said:

And the winners are?

No one mate. But until they're gone nothing will change. 

11 hours ago, Dimron said:

 

You just had to didn't you. I was trying to avoid bringing the great (iron) lady into it.

It only excites the 'grave pissers' and they have enough to get on with foaming and frothing about The Don and putting their red rosettes back into storage now their heroes are conniving over the suspension of council elections in a bid to stem the growth of Reform.

11 hours ago, bolty58 said:

You just had to didn't you. I was trying to avoid bringing the great (iron) lady into it.

It only excites the 'grave pissers' and they have enough to get on with foaming and frothing about The Don and putting their red rosettes back into storage now their heroes are conniving over the suspension of council elections in a bid to stem the growth of Reform.

The WW pond was too calm... needed a brick tossing in 😁

21 hours ago, Bertie said:

The far-right extremists Smotrich and Katz at it again. More illegal settlements approved in the West Bank, openly admitting it’s to block a future Palestinian state. Never ending.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjg18xe0wwo

It still all started on October 7th though........

Started in 1920, Treaty of Sevres

 

12 hours ago, kent_white said:

It still all started on October 7th though........

...and ended (technically) on the 10th October.

8 hours ago, bolty58 said:

...and ended (technically) on the 10th October.

So if it 'ended' on October 10th, why are we already talking about new facts on the ground that make any future peace deal harder? Seems like the ending of one thing is just the beginning of the next phase - just like it has been for the past 70+ years of Israeli expansionism.

17 hours ago, kent_white said:

Seems like the ending of one thing is just the beginning of the next phase 

You sound surprised.

It is an interminable conflict. The only variable is the severity of it at any given time.

On 22/12/2025 at 14:22, kent_white said:

It still all started on October 7th though........

We've been here numerous times. 

The land grabbing and booting out by extreme Israelis is in breach of plenty of resolutions etc.

Won't change, sadly.

It's not a unique situation neither- It's been going on as long as humans have existed, all over.

If we go down the route of dates again though, then ultimately there is only one with justification. 

Jewish people were around for centuries before Islam even existed. Judea etc.

Playing the date game becomes petty, and irrelevant in the end, as it doesn't change the now.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

We've been here numerous times. 

The land grabbing and booting out by extreme Israelis is in breach of plenty of resolutions etc.

Won't change, sadly.

Bit defeatist that mate. Best just let them carry on then till they've got as much as they want then?

Same with Putin in Ukraine. And Trump with Greenland. 

Balls to it - we might as well have Ireland back as well. And any of our former colonies that we like the look of. 

Proper new world order. Seems to be the direction of travel. 

On 24/12/2025 at 22:51, kent_white said:

Bit defeatist that mate. Best just let them carry on then till they've got as much as they want then?

Same with Putin in Ukraine. And Trump with Greenland. 

Balls to it - we might as well have Ireland back as well. And any of our former colonies that we like the look of. 

Proper new world order. Seems to be the direction of travel. 

It would be like acquiring a dozen more Liverpools.

12 hours ago, bolty58 said:

It would be like acquiring a dozen more Liverpools.

I'd rather take back Crimea... we did beat Russia and still have a claim on it

4 hours ago, Dimron said:

I'd rather take back Crimea... we did beat Russia and still have a claim on it

I was interested in this so was doing a bit of reading and apparently this isn't true. We have no claim over Crimea, historic, archaic, legal or otherwise. 

I've heard a similar sort of thing said by other people too so it's not just you that thinks this. 

I might just not have read the right information though. What is it that makes you think we still have some sort of claim over it (not that we'd exercise it of course) 😁

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

I was interested in this so was doing a bit of reading and apparently this isn't true. We have no claim over Crimea, historic, archaic, legal or otherwise. 

I've heard a similar sort of thing said by other people too so it's not just you that thinks this. 

I might just not have read the right information though. What is it that makes you think we still have some sort of claim over it (not that we'd exercise it of course) 😁

I've not done extensive research but am recalling history lessons, Lord Palmerston and the Treaty of Paris which the Russians are breaching.

I think the point I am making is the area has always changed hands between various empires.

7 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I've not done extensive research but am recalling history lessons, Lord Palmerston and the Treaty of Paris which the Russians are breaching.

I think the point I am making is the area has always changed hands between various empires.

Ah OK. Yeah - I think that part is true.

It's never actually been occupied by us Brits mind.