kent_white Posted March 5 Posted March 5 16 hours ago, Zico said: Nick Griffin knew... Sounds like a moderate these days. Bloody wet wipe snowflake! Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 minute ago, deeane Koontz said: Terrorist scum the IDF Quote
Bertie Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 minute ago, London Wanderer said: Terrorist scum the IDF Yep. That’s where we’ve got to. Hamas and the IDF are now two sides of the same coin. Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Bertie said: Yep. That’s where we’ve got to. Hamas and the IDF are now two sides of the same coin. Not sure we ever got to this The IDF have long been committing the same atrocities as Hamas. Even before the latter existed. Quote
Dimron Posted March 15 Posted March 15 4 hours ago, London Wanderer said: Not sure we ever got to this The IDF have long been committing the same atrocities as Hamas. Even before the latter existed. This is something I cannot get my head around... the Jews were crueĺly persecuted by popularist and nationalistic regimes... one hundred years later they are now the persecuters. The human race deserves to die in my opinion Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 15 Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, Dimron said: This is something I cannot get my head around... the Jews were crueĺly persecuted by popularist and nationalistic regimes... one hundred years later they are now the persecuters. The human race deserves to die in my opinion The human race also fought fascism & brought many of the Nazis to justice. Both in the courts & on the battlefield. For me it makes sense why those who suffered such horrors would become the persecutors. I guess they’ve said never again to allowing any enemy to gain strength & used it as excuse to further their occupation & apartheid. To those whom evil is done do evil in return an all that Like why many abusers were also abused when they were younger. It’s interesting the way the holocaust is taught in Israeli education & how militarised school becomes quite early on. Arabs are taught as being the enemy from an early age. We just need a US government with a backbone who forces them to allow Palestinian sovereignty & punishes those responsible for the ethnic cleansing. Quote
Dimron Posted March 15 Posted March 15 18 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: The human race also fought fascism & brought many of the Nazis to justice. Both in the courts & on the battlefield. For me it makes sense why those who suffered such horrors would become the persecutors. I guess they’ve said never again to allowing any enemy to gain strength & used it as excuse to further their occupation & apartheid. To those whom evil is done do evil in return an all that Like why many abusers were also abused when they were younger. It’s interesting the way the holocaust is taught in Israeli education & how militarised school becomes quite early on. Arabs are taught as being the enemy from an early age. We just need a US government with a backbone who forces them to allow Palestinian sovereignty & punishes those responsible for the ethnic cleansing. I have never thought about the Israeli stance that way but to date, my current opinion is Netinyahu must go down in history alongside Hitler and Stalin but I will sleep on it tonight. Excepting the obvious massive power he has at his fingertips, Trump is not shaping the dialogue or offering anything positive... he is being led along the path like a child alongside a Defence Secretary recruited from Fox News. The right wing anti abortion Christian groups Trump panders to will be loving the new crusade... the real fundalmentalists willl be relishing the second coming of Jesus Christ when it all hits the fan. For clarification, I am happy with Starmer's handling of the shit show to date Quote
FrancisFogarty Posted March 15 Posted March 15 3 hours ago, London Wanderer said: It’s interesting the way the holocaust is taught in Israeli education & how militarised school becomes quite early on. Arabs are taught as being the enemy from an early age. I don't know how long ago it is since you were there, but that's not my experience. Yes the military is taught as is the Holocaust. I know a family on a kibbutz. Dad always claims to live in Palestine, two daughters both said they weren't going in the army for national service, said they were going to uni and got left alone. Mum is the only one who has even been to Yad Vashem, and that was to take me. The kibbutz has Arab mainenance people and even Arab decorators. I know that kibbutz is a rarified atmosphere, but there is the difference between Israelis and Jews. Quote
Zico Posted March 16 Posted March 16 4 hours ago, London Wanderer said: It’s interesting the way the holocaust is taught in Israeli education & how militarised school becomes quite early on. Arabs are taught as being the enemy from an early age. Just been reading / watching about how BN has previously said that the Holocaust was a Muslim idea, not a Nazi idea That Hitler was just going to expel them from Europe, not kill them Then a mufti said don't do that, they'll all come back to Palestine, you should burn them instead So that's why he did it The fucking nut job Quote
bolty58 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 3 hours ago, Zico said: Just been reading / watching about how BN has previously said that the Holocaust was a Muslim idea, not a Nazi idea That Hitler was just going to expel them from Europe, not kill them Then a mufti said don't do that, they'll all come back to Palestine, you should burn them instead So that's why he did it The fucking nut job Hitler, the mufti or both? Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 16 Posted March 16 11 hours ago, FrancisFogarty said: I don't know how long ago it is since you were there, but that's not my experience. Yes the military is taught as is the Holocaust. I know a family on a kibbutz. Dad always claims to live in Palestine, two daughters both said they weren't going in the army for national service, said they were going to uni and got left alone. Mum is the only one who has even been to Yad Vashem, and that was to take me. The kibbutz has Arab mainenance people and even Arab decorators. I know that kibbutz is a rarified atmosphere, but there is the difference between Israelis and Jews. Some good points. I didn’t spend any time in school’s when I was there. Just stuff I’ve read & watched. Has become a lot worse since I was there with the current extremist government. Reading back I think me saying they teach Arabs as being the enemy isn’t explicitly true everywhere. There’s cases of this happening in some places & not others It’s absolutely right the holocaust should be embedded in their education system. And expect any group of people with that history to be less tolerant of those who hate them. Quote
Dimron Posted March 16 Posted March 16 14 hours ago, London Wanderer said: The human race also fought fascism & brought many of the Nazis to justice. Both in the courts & on the battlefield. For me it makes sense why those who suffered such horrors would become the persecutors. I guess they’ve said never again to allowing any enemy to gain strength & used it as excuse to further their occupation & apartheid. To those whom evil is done do evil in return an all that Like why many abusers were also abused when they were younger. It’s interesting the way the holocaust is taught in Israeli education & how militarised school becomes quite early on. Arabs are taught as being the enemy from an early age. We just need a US government with a backbone who forces them to allow Palestinian sovereignty & punishes those responsible for the ethnic cleansing. IF... Now all sides have depleted their weaponry and Iran agrees to install a more moderate government, will the Israelis reciprocate and elect a less right wing nationalist government and cease grabbing territories? Quote
Sweep Posted March 16 Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Dimron said: IF... Now all sides have depleted their weaponry and Iran agrees to install a more moderate government, will the Israelis reciprocate and elect a less right wing nationalist government and cease grabbing territories? yes, and then we can all live in peace and harmony. Or maybe not, as long as the extremes on both sides want to totally annihilate the other side, we'll just keep going round in circles. Sadly, there are still some who don't see this, and think there is extremism on one side only. Quote
Nowack Posted March 16 Posted March 16 11 hours ago, Zico said: Just been reading / watching about how BN has previously said that the Holocaust was a Muslim idea, not a Nazi idea That Hitler was just going to expel them from Europe, not kill them Then a mufti said don't do that, they'll all come back to Palestine, you should burn them instead So that's why he did it The fucking nut job Took me a while to realise you are not on about the Bolton News. I was thinking it was a controversial report but they seem to have upped the editorial input. Quote
Dimron Posted March 16 Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Sweep said: yes, and then we can all live in peace and harmony. Or maybe not, as long as the extremes on both sides want to totally annihilate the other side, we'll just keep going round in circles. Sadly, there are still some who don't see this, and think there is extremism on one side only. It looks like the Iranians' military and nuclear abilities will be forcibly greatly reduced. Therefore may be a peace deal could include for Israeli reductions in military power and illegal expansionism. This was the route that Netanyahu's predecessor was following before he was assassinated. He advocated a "land for peace" arrangement with the close neighbours with no land grabs and normalisation of Israel's borders. Quote
kent_white Posted March 16 Posted March 16 3 hours ago, London Wanderer said: Some good points. I didn’t spend any time in school’s when I was there. Just stuff I’ve read & watched. Has become a lot worse since I was there with the current extremist government. Reading back I think me saying they teach Arabs as being the enemy isn’t explicitly true everywhere. There’s cases of this happening in some places & not others It’s absolutely right the holocaust should be embedded in their education system. And expect any group of people with that history to be less tolerant of those who hate them. I've been to Auschwitz and can only speak about my experience. On the day I was there - there were loads of young Israelis there too in uniform. Presumably on national service. They were laughing and joking and larking about on the railway tracks. With their Israel flags out and taking Insta type photos. I'd have gone fucking mad if I were in charge of them and/or the keeper of the place. I found it really disrespectful to be honest. But then I'm not Jewish - so it's not my place to tell them how to behave/not behave. Quote
Sweep Posted March 16 Posted March 16 9 minutes ago, Dimron said: It looks like the Iranians' military and nuclear abilities will be forcibly greatly reduced. Therefore may be a peace deal could include for Israeli reductions in military power and illegal expansionism. This was the route that Netanyahu's predecessor was following before he was assassinated. He advocated a "land for peace" arrangement with the close neighbours with no land grabs and normalisation of Israel's borders. well, the nuclear abilities were totally obliterated (I think that's the term Trump used) and set back decades last year, and we've since gone and destroyed/obliterated them even more, so I'm guessing there's no problem there. They're bigly destroyed, in a way nobody has ever seen The illegal expansionism is the tricky part, especially when they claim it's a way of defending themselves. Quote
jmjhb Posted March 16 Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Nowack said: Took me a while to realise you are not on about the Bolton News. I was thinking it was a controversial report but they seem to have upped the editorial input. Marc Iles on Muslims Quote
kent_white Posted March 16 Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Nowack said: Took me a while to realise you are not on about the Bolton News. I was thinking it was a controversial report but they seem to have upped the editorial input. You're not the only one! 🤣 Quote
frank_spencer Posted March 16 Posted March 16 13 minutes ago, jmjhb said: Marc Iles on Muslims Doing a live blog on the Iran conflict sat in his pants eating biscuits? Quote
DirtySanchez Posted March 16 Posted March 16 34 minutes ago, kent_white said: I've been to Auschwitz and can only speak about my experience. On the day I was there - there were loads of young Israelis there too in uniform. Presumably on national service. They were laughing and joking and larking about on the railway tracks. With their Israel flags out and taking Insta type photos. I'd have gone fucking mad if I were in charge of them and/or the keeper of the place. I found it really disrespectful to be honest. But then I'm not Jewish - so it's not my place to tell them how to behave/not behave. That was very similar to my experience there Despite signs saying no photos they were happy to pose for selfies Someone pointed this out to them and got some abuse Quote
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