6 coppers to take him down or 1 member of the public with his bike? 
 

 

 

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

You will never stop vast amounts of people across the world from taking drugs in one form or another.

The whole war on drugs needs a massive rethink.

Wont happen though.

I agree 👍

It could happen…

52 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It was a simple question and you chose to ramble on about a wider topic. Forgive me for repeating myself, your preference was to not deport him when we had the chance and every right to, (as the Americans did with the British born rapist) now we’re paying the price of that stupid decision. Mental. 

It was never a simple question and we’d be paying the price either way was my point. It was a drug fuelled knife fight, so apologies for bringing the ‘wider topic’ into it. 

the situations of him and others on that flight was complex. That’s why they went to court. 
 

i admitted from the beginning, I never knew he came as a child, but based that assumption on other cases on that particular flight. I’m all for deportations of illegals who’ve come to commit crime, never denied that.

from https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a43137281/who-is-constance-marten/

Quotes from her parents

Dad, the plummy fucker, said…

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Darling Constance, even though we remain estranged at the moment, I stand by, as I have always done and as the family has always done, to do whatever is necessary for your safe return to us. The past eight years have been beyond painful for all the family as well as your friends, as they must have been for you. And to see you so vulnerable again is testing in the extreme. Please Constance, find the courage to present yourself to the police as soon as possible.

Mum, the equally plummy fucker, said…

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We will support you in whatever way we can, I beseech you to find a way to turn yourself and your wee one in to the police as soon as possible, so you and he or she can be protected. Only then can a process of healing and recovery begin, however long it may take, however difficult it may be.

I don’t recall my parents ever beseeching me. Asking, yes, even demanding but beseeching? Doubtful..

21 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It was never a simple question and we’d be paying the price either way was my point. It was a drug fuelled knife fight, so apologies for bringing the ‘wider topic’ into it. 

the situations of him and others on that flight was complex. That’s why they went to court. 
 

i admitted from the beginning, I never knew he came as a child, but based that assumption on other cases on that particular flight. I’m all for deportations of illegals who’ve come to commit crime, never denied that.

So when you said “the people on that flight came here as children and not by illegal methods” you were just guessing that they were kids on arrival ? 
 

“He claimed it would breach his rights to be separated from his UK-based family, including son Nico who went on to be convicted alongside his father of a horrific knife murder.

Ernesto Elliott's appalling criminal record spanned 18 years from 2003, shortly after he arrived in the UK. Details of the scale of his law-breaking will raise questions as to why he was not deported earlier”

Why are you only for illegals being deported? 

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29 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It was never a simple question and we’d be paying the price either way was my point. It was a drug fuelled knife fight, so apologies for bringing the ‘wider topic’ into it. 

the situations of him and others on that flight was complex. That’s why they went to court. 
 

i admitted from the beginning, I never knew he came as a child, but based that assumption on other cases on that particular flight. I’m all for deportations of illegals who’ve come to commit crime, never denied that.

Excellent, pleased you’ve finally got to answer my question. 

Don't care what the background is. If someone is a criminal and is eligible to be deported, then goodbye.

39 minutes ago, royal white said:

So when you said “the people on that flight came here as children and not by illegal methods” you were just guessing that they were kids on arrival ? 
 

“He claimed it would breach his rights to be separated from his UK-based family, including son Nico who went on to be convicted alongside his father of a horrific knife murder.

Ernesto Elliott's appalling criminal record spanned 18 years from 2003, shortly after he arrived in the UK. Details of the scale of his law-breaking will raise questions as to why he was not deported earlier”

Why are you only for illegals being deported? 

Definitely, I said from my first posts that it was my assumption and that could be wrong. That was based on other people on that flight and their situations. 

This guy was in his mid 20s or younger depending on what they mean by “shortly after”. 

My view is that if an immigrant has citizenship and right to remain, that they should be dealt with by our justice system. Shifting criminals to another country sounds great and makes people feel safer. But in reality it solves very little and doesn’t keep us safer.

7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Definitely, I said from my first posts that it was my assumption and that could be wrong. That was based on other people on that flight and their situations. 

This guy was in his mid 20s or younger depending on what they mean by “shortly after”. 

My view is that if an immigrant has citizenship and right to remain, that they should be dealt with by our justice system. Shifting criminals to another country sounds great and makes people feel safer. But in reality it solves very little and doesn’t keep us safer.

💯 which is what happens. Then, if the sentence is 12 months or more they are to be deported (labours policy). That is our justice system. 
 

The Rochdale groomers who’s are to be deported. Why would you want them to stay? What benefit are they to anyone over here? What benefit is the murderer in London going to be to anyone over here once he is released? 

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4 minutes ago, royal white said:

What benefit are they to anyone over here? What benefit is the murderer in London going to be to anyone over here once he is released? 

In the heads of some, he may be rehabilitated and re-educated in prison and maybe go on to make some scientific discovery which cures cancer.

18 minutes ago, royal white said:

💯 which is what happens. Then, if the sentence is 12 months or more they are to be deported (labours policy). That is our justice system. 
 

The Rochdale groomers who’s are to be deported. Why would you want them to stay? What benefit are they to anyone over here? What benefit is the murderer in London going to be to anyone over here once he is released? 

Now this is where I struggle - rape and grooming sentences are an absolute disgrace for me. Considering the damage someone can cause and then be out in under 10 years is beyond me. I'm all for early intervention, working with young men who might have been abused and showing similar behaviours etc. But once the damage has been done the sentencing should be in line with the damage they've caused. 

The Rochdale Groomers should still be in prison and should be for a very long time. What we do with them after depends what the outcome would be. If we are sending them back to a country where they can have free reign to rape girls, traffic girls to this country, or even attempt to re-enter illegally - then I'm not sure what we're doing to make our streets safer. 

23 minutes ago, MickyD said:

In the heads of some, he may be rehabilitated and re-educated in prison and maybe go on to make some scientific discovery which cures cancer.

Countries that invest in rehabilitation and allow drug addicts to take drugs legally are seeing reductions in violent crime - there's a whole body of research and evidence behind it. Though this fella in question was too far gone for any of that in my opinion, he's just one of those that needs keeping off the streets long term. 

40 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Countries that invest in rehabilitation and allow drug addicts to take drugs legally are seeing reductions in violent crime - there's a whole body of research and evidence behind it. Though this fella in question was too far gone for any of that in my opinion, he's just one of those that needs keeping off the streets long term. 

Indeed - and also look at your neck of the woods in Glasgow and the cities work on tackling knife crime which has been widely lauded for really working;

https://quarterly.blog.gov.uk/2019/07/04/a-radical-approach-to-tackling-knife-crime-in-scotland/

Again peole are looking for simple black and white answers to long-term and difficult ingrained problems.

 

 

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

Now this is where I struggle - rape and grooming sentences are an absolute disgrace for me. Considering the damage someone can cause and then be out in under 10 years is beyond me. I'm all for early intervention, working with young men who might have been abused and showing similar behaviours etc. But once the damage has been done the sentencing should be in line with the damage they've caused. 

The Rochdale Groomers should still be in prison and should be for a very long time. What we do with them after depends what the outcome would be. If we are sending them back to a country where they can have free reign to rape girls, traffic girls to this country, or even attempt to re-enter illegally - then I'm not sure what we're doing to make our streets safer. 

What makes you think they will have free rein in their country? 
 

So over all,  if they’re illegal they serve their sentence here then send them back to their country where they can carry on committing crime. If they’re legal, they serve their sentence here but don’t deport them because they can still commit crime abroad. 
 

Got ya 👍🤪

25 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Indeed - and also look at your neck of the woods in Glasgow and the cities work on tackling knife crime which has been widely lauded for really working;

https://quarterly.blog.gov.uk/2019/07/04/a-radical-approach-to-tackling-knife-crime-in-scotland/

Again peole are looking for simple black and white answers to long-term and difficult ingrained problems.

 

 

Aye.

I guess it's much easier to call someone "mental" or accuse a liberal do-gooder of being responsible than it is to properly look at the issue. No doubt that the idea of loads of thugs on a plane sounds like a reasonable solution, if only it worked. 

 

1 minute ago, royal white said:

What makes you think they will have free rein in their country? 
 

So over all,  if they’re illegal they serve their sentence here then send them back to their country where they can carry on committing crime. If they’re legal, they serve their sentence here but don’t deport them because they can still commit crime abroad. 
 

Got ya 👍🤪

Because these policies are often very poorly worked out and our government that has a track record of being incompetent. A British citizen should be dealt with by us, they're no different in law to a white person who was born here. That's the justice system. 

Very little point in responding to the other part. You've already made your mind up what it is I've said and haven't said and are now making stuff up 🤪

Nothing to get really - it's a complex system and should be treated on a case by case basis. 

 

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Aye.

I guess it's much easier to call someone "mental" or accuse a liberal do-gooder of being responsible than it is to properly look at the issue. No doubt that the idea of loads of thugs on a plane sounds like a reasonable solution, if only it worked. 

 

It works perfectly well. If they're not here, they can't commit the crime here. 100% success.

If the country where they're being returned to locks them away and shaves their heads in an El Salvadorian style then so be it. 

If they get a body part removed then so be it.

Not our problem. 

 

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Because these policies are often very poorly worked out and our government that has a track record of being incompetent. A British citizen should be dealt with by us, they're no different in law to a white person who was born here. That's the justice system. 

Very little point in responding to the other part. You've already made your mind up what it is I've said and haven't said and are now making stuff up 🤪

Nothing to get really - it's a complex system and should be treated on a case by case basis. 

 

A British citizen will be.

Someone granted citizenship or not a citizen may be treated differently, depending upon the laws of the land.

Really isn't difficult.

Our cunt- locked up here.

Someone else's cunt- fuck off.

 

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Because these policies are often very poorly worked out and our government that has a track record of being incompetent. A British citizen should be dealt with by us, they're no different in law to a white person who was born here. That's the justice system. 

Very little point in responding to the other part. You've already made your mind up what it is I've said and haven't said and are now making stuff up 🤪

Nothing to get really - it's a complex system and should be treated on a case by case basis. 

 

Again it’s a Labour policy. And what has someone’s skin colour got to do with anything? Many more legal white folk get deported every year. 

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Again it’s a Labour policy. And what has someone’s skin colour got to do with anything? Many more legal white folk get deported every year. 

Everything is this government's fault. Irrespective of when laws, policies or whatever we're introduced, its like the premier league, UK governance only started in 2010.

Quite right about skin colour too. The default position of social engineers- bring race into it- the most patronising and disrespectful way to treat the very folk they're purport to defend.

15 hours ago, Marc505 said:

 

Fucking vile rats.

it's a fucking weird one this

ex con and aristocrat

been on the run with their new born for 2 months

they first dumped their car on the M61 near Bolton

police been looking for them concerned over the baby - not sure what the exact concerns would be but enough for them to do one

but they've been taking the baby with them for the most part it seems as they;v'e been all over the country before ending up in brighton

seems there's a dark story yet to come out 

38 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

It works perfectly well. If they're not here, they can't commit the crime here. 100% success.

If the country where they're being returned to locks them away and shaves their heads in an El Salvadorian style then so be it. 

If they get a body part removed then so be it.

Not our problem. 

 

You're a bright bloke, I'm genuinely surprised you would write something like this.

As LW says - it actually doesn't work - and you create a whole load more problems.

If things were only this simple, but I'm afraid, they aren't.

29 minutes ago, Zico said:

it's a fucking weird one this

ex con and aristocrat

been on the run with their new born for 2 months

they first dumped their car on the M61 near Bolton

police been looking for them concerned over the baby - not sure what the exact concerns would be but enough for them to do one

but they've been taking the baby with them for the most part it seems as they;v'e been all over the country before ending up in brighton

seems there's a dark story yet to come out 

Their car broke down near Farnworth. Imagine that not being the worst thing that happend in your day.

8 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

You're a bright bloke, I'm genuinely surprised you would write something like this.

As LW says - it actually doesn't work - and you create a whole load more problems.

If things were only this simple, but I'm afraid, they aren't.

If it doesn’t work why did Labour bring it in? Why do many other countries around the world use a similar process? 

Quick example look at the millions America are going to save by deporting this fella in the dead baby case. 

15 minutes ago, royal white said:

If it doesn’t work why did Labour bring it in? Why do many other countries around the world use a similar process? 

Quick example look at the millions America are going to save by deporting this fella in the dead baby case. 

It deportation in certain cases - its the wholeblanket statement to cover everyone and every situation that is too simplistic a position, and it seems that's what people want, and that isn't and never will be the case.

1 hour ago, Zico said:

it's a fucking weird one this

ex con and aristocrat

been on the run with their new born for 2 months

they first dumped their car on the M61 near Bolton

police been looking for them concerned over the baby - not sure what the exact concerns would be but enough for them to do one

but they've been taking the baby with them for the most part it seems as they;v'e been all over the country before ending up in brighton

seems there's a dark story yet to come out 

Netflix and or Channel 5 will be all over this, there will be a huge backstory to untangle here