6 coppers to take him down or 1 member of the public with his bike? 
 

 

 

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

Did you read the first article that posted?  
 

Have UEFA banned Tel Aviv fans? 

Yes 

No

Pro Israel and Pro Palestine have turned this into something it's not

The maccabi fans were not banned because they are Jewish and it's not the first time such action has been taken, despite what you might think

You can ignore it if you want but It's all there

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Anyone who genuinely believes Tel Aviv fans were banned from Villa Park "because they're Jewish" is an absolute fucking moonman.

 

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

Yes 

No

Pro Israel and Pro Palestine have turned this into something it's not

The maccabi fans were not banned because they are Jewish and it's not the first time such action has been taken, despite what you might think

You can ignore it if you want but It's all there

So it was never the same as Legia Warsaw fans then 😂 

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

So it was never the same as Legia Warsaw fans then 😂 

Yeah Ok 

You suggested Villa have never done this before, they have 

You suggested it was because they were Jewish, it wasn't 

You're entitled to your opinion on why it went down but it's been shown not to be in line with the facts of matter 

If your starting place is Villa haven't done this before you're making a pretty flimsy point 

These things happen in football

 

It ceased to be about football the moment Maccabi turned the allocation down

After that, all the moonmen got involved

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4 minutes ago, Zico said:

Yeah Ok 

You suggested Villa have never done this before, they have 

You suggested it was because they were Jewish, it wasn't 

You're entitled to your opinion on why it went down but it's been shown not to be in line with the facts of matter 

If your starting place is Villa haven't done this before you're making a pretty flimsy point 

These things happen in football

 

Tell me when they refused to sell tickets to away fans. Because your link doesn’t show  that. 
 

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Tell me when they refused to sell tickets to away fans. Because your link doesn’t show  that. 
 

It's all there in the link 

It shows that villa's decision not to allow fans in to the ground wasn't "all of a sudden" and it wasn't because their fans "happen to be Jewish" 

Just now, Zico said:

It's all there in the link 

It shows that villa's decision not to allow fans in to the ground wasn't "all of a sudden" and it wasn't because their fans "happen to be Jewish" 

Nope. Tell me when they (Aston Villa) refused to sell tickets to away fans before. Because your link doesn’t show that. 

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

Nope. Tell me when they (Aston Villa) refused to sell tickets to away fans before. Because your link doesn’t show that. 

You said villa banned fans because they were Jewish 

The link shows they weren't 

So

Now we've moved on it seems

And You're now taking about a refusal to sell tickets

The only mention of tickets is this 

no Legia fans were allowed into the stadium ahead of kick-off. Legia accused Villa of reneging on their agreement regarding the away ticket allocation

You could argue they are refusing to sell tickets, Legia certainly thought so, but I'm sure you will see it differently 

1 minute ago, Zico said:

You said villa banned fans because they were Jewish 

The link shows they weren't 

So

Now we've moved on it seems

And You're now taking about a refusal to sell tickets

The only mention of tickets is this 

no Legia fans were allowed into the stadium ahead of kick-off. Legia accused Villa of reneging on their agreement regarding the away ticket allocation

You could argue they are refusing to sell tickets, Legia certainly thought so, but I'm sure you will see it differently 

 

“Same happened with Warsaw fans at villa a couple of years ago and no one gave it a second thought”

This is what you said and then provided the link. It’s completely different, they had tickets for starters! 
 

You then posted a link to what UEFA did regarding the violence at Villa park. Did UEFA ban Tal Aviv fans for violence in Amsterdam? 

So your post proving it’s the same is far from it. 

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

 

“Same happened with Warsaw fans at villa a couple of years ago and no one gave it a second thought”

This is what you said and then provided the link. It’s completely different, they had tickets for starters! 
 

You then posted a link to what UEFA did regarding the violence at Villa park. Did UEFA ban Tal Aviv fans for violence in Amsterdam? 

So your post proving it’s the same is far from it. 

you seemed to think it all of a sudden and beacuse they were jewish, so I showed you it wasn't either of those things

if you're you to want to argue the toss over the phrasing "the same thing happened" then will leave you to it

 

1 minute ago, Zico said:

you seemed to think it all of a sudden and beacuse they were jewish, so I showed you it wasn't either of those things

if you're you to want to argue the toss over the phrasing "the same thing happened" then will leave you to it

 

No other fans have been refused tickets before. Your pointless link proved my point. 

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

No other fans have been refused tickets before. Your pointless link proved my point. 

You're point was they were banned all of a sudden because they are Jewish 

There is no link out there that will prove your point

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

You're point was they were banned all of a sudden because they are Jewish 

There is no link out there that will prove your point

Again

In a nutshell 

I’ve lost track of the point he’s trying to argue… nothing shows they were banned because they were Jewish 

quite the opposite 

38 minutes ago, Zico said:

You're point was they were banned all of a sudden because they are Jewish 

There is no link out there that will prove your point

I’m going off what the PM said.

football violence has been around forever, Villa have never took this stance before.

There’s been a massive rise in antisemitism in recent years, Villa is situated in an area where let’s be honest you’re likely to see a lot of antisemitism. Let’s just say it’s a massive coincidence  hey. The police (there were more there than at Liverpool V Man U) knew they couldn’t police it. 

It’s clear as day why they were banned. That doesn’t mean some won’t have been subjected to antisemitic abuse, I’m sure the ‘reprisal’ violence would have been taken into consideration. But that doesn’t mean the police were being antisemitic or pandering to the Muslim community. 

“Sources with knowledge of the details of the intelligence and risk assessments have said that the Maccabi fans were considered likely to be the perpetrators of trouble.

According to sources, police intelligence said:

Scores of extreme Maccabi fans with a past history of violence and shouting “racist taunts” were expected to travel to the Birmingham game.

Dutch police told their British counterparts that the Maccabi fans had instigated trouble in Amsterdam at a game last year.

They had randomly picked Muslims in Amsterdam to attack. That led to reprisal violence with some Dutch Jews attacked.

A huge Dutch police effort, involving 5,000 officers across three days, was needed to quell the trouble.

A community impact assessment by West Midlands police recorded that some Jewish people wanted the Maccabi fans banned because of the trouble that might ensue if they attended.

Any trouble started by Maccabi fans attending the Birmingham game could lead to reprisals from local people and further trouble.

The process did not consider whether the ban on fans of the Israeli club could be criticised as antisemitic itself or surrendering to antisemitism.

 

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6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It’s clear as day why they were banned. That doesn’t mean some won’t have been subjected to antisemitic abuse, I’m sure the ‘reprisal’ violence would have been taken into consideration. But that doesn’t mean the police were being antisemitic or pandering to the Muslim community. 

“Sources with knowledge of the details of the intelligence and risk assessments have said that the Maccabi fans were considered likely to be the perpetrators of trouble.

According to sources, police intelligence said:

Scores of extreme Maccabi fans with a past history of violence and shouting “racist taunts” were expected to travel to the Birmingham game.

Dutch police told their British counterparts that the Maccabi fans had instigated trouble in Amsterdam at a game last year.

They had randomly picked Muslims in Amsterdam to attack. That led to reprisal violence with some Dutch Jews attacked.

A huge Dutch police effort, involving 5,000 officers across three days, was needed to quell the trouble.

A community impact assessment by West Midlands police recorded that some Jewish people wanted the Maccabi fans banned because of the trouble that might ensue if they attended.

Any trouble started by Maccabi fans attending the Birmingham game could lead to reprisals from local people and further trouble.

The process did not consider whether the ban on fans of the Israeli club could be criticised as antisemitic itself or surrendering to antisemitism.

 

I know. The PM tweeted it. 

20 minutes ago, royal white said:

I know. The PM tweeted it. 

Is Starmer always right? 

47 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’m going off what the PM said.

Why? The decision had nothing to do with him

Where was this level of outrage and government intervention when we were watching thousands of Palestinian kids being killed? It's interesting what gets called a 'national disgrace' and what doesn't.

A few hooligans get banned from travelling away and all of a sudden people's anger has been irked! 

It's amazing what makes some people's blood boil and what doesn't. 

39 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Is Starmer always right? 

No, he does U Turns when he’s wrong. 

18 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Where was this level of outrage and government intervention when we were watching thousands of Palestinian kids being killed? It's interesting what gets called a 'national disgrace' and what doesn't.

A few hooligans get banned from travelling away and all of a sudden people's anger has been irked! 

It's amazing what makes some people's blood boil and what doesn't. 

Same could be said about different wars 👍

38 minutes ago, Zico said:

Why? The decision had nothing to do with him

I get the feeling that being PM hes “in the know” 

44 minutes ago, royal white said:

No, he does U Turns when he’s wrong. 

Aye

 And his cabinet did very little more to reverse the decision once the screeching died down & the real evidence came out. 
 

Nice to see you agreeing with him for a change though 😄

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Aye

 And his cabinet did very little more to reverse the decision once the screeching died down & the real evidence came out. 
 

Nice to see you agreeing with him for a change though 😄

I’ll agree with him when he speaks sense. When he speaks his usual shite he deserves to be ridiculed.