6 coppers to take him down or 1 member of the public with his bike? 
 

 

 

8 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

He hasn't a clue which side he is on - other than his own.

See I don't think there is a 'side' in something like this.

Should that copper have leant on George Flloyd's neck until he asphyxiated (whether or not he turned out to be a career criminal)? Absolutely not.

Should that copper have taken Henry Nowack's words seriously and made sure he got the medical attention that might have saved his life? Absolutely yes.

I imagine that's similar to how KS is thinking. 

Does anybody on here disagree with this? 

Farage is awfully quiet this morning. 

Wind up his stormtroopers, point them where he wants them, then backs away 
 

Job done eh?
 

Cunt

Also in the Henry Nowack incident - the testimony of the coppers is going to be really interesting. 

What we need to understand is did the guidance/training they were given (which has been alluded to earlier in this thread - and which I'm going to take as read for now) have any influence on their decision making at the time?

If it did - then there's a legitimate case for it to be looked at again - because that guidance may contribute to some poor decision making and potential harm. Even if that wasn't the I mention with which it was written. 

We don't all need to hate each other about this and we CAN learn some lessons from an awful tragedy. 

3 hours ago, little whitt said:

ACAB

What about Nick Berry in Heartbeat? He was lovely! 

19 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Farage is awfully quiet this morning. 

Wind up his stormtroopers, point them where he wants them, then backs away 
 

Job done eh?
 

Cunt

Little army of brown shirts at the ready. Same playbook at Trump. 

22 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Farage is awfully quiet this morning. 

Wind up his stormtroopers, point them where he wants them, then backs away 
 

Job done eh?
 

Cunt

Did exactly the same the other year for them race riots then scurried off like the cowardly little creature he is

Not watching the video. Sounds horrific. What's happening to said Officer, will he be going to jail ?

9 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

Not watching the video. Sounds horrific. What's happening to said Officer, will he be going to jail ?

I doubt it

I doubt his actions, or inaction, woudl have made a difference

it's just a shite attitude

would he have been desperately trying to help resusciate the lad if he'd been stabbed by a white lad?

I doubt it

struggling to see anything other than a cop with a generally shit attitude

but nothing that shoudl result in riots

Just now, Zico said:

I doubt it

I doubt his actions, or inaction, woudl have made a difference

it's just a shite attitude

would he have been desperately trying to help resusciate the lad if he'd been stabbed by a white lad?

I doubt it

struggling to see anything other than a cop with a generally shit attitude

but nothing that shoudl result in riots

Why?

They believed the report of a racist attack, and ignored comments from others on scene.

Minds made up before getting there.

Without that "racism" accusation they would have more likely done what they should have- treat the scene as was presented to them upon arrival.

In other words, a man claiming to have been stabbed, with witnesses confirming it.

 

20 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

Not watching the video. Sounds horrific. What's happening to said Officer, will he be going to jail ?

No chance

He'll lose his job, I'm sure, but he's not going to go to prison

Just now, Sweep said:

No chance

He'll lose his job, I'm sure, but he's not going to go to prison

One of them has resigned, not sure which though.

Im surprised that people are surprised at the protests, these actions always whip up a frenzy and you will nearly always see a politician nearby pushing their agenda. 

57 minutes ago, kent_white said:

See I don't think there is a 'side' in something like this.

Should that copper have leant on George Flloyd's neck until he asphyxiated (whether or not he turned out to be a career criminal)? Absolutely not.

Should that copper have taken Henry Nowack's words seriously and made sure he got the medical attention that might have saved his life? Absolutely yes.

I imagine that's similar to how KS is thinking. 

Does anybody on here disagree with this? 

 

This fella nails it. They failed every protocol in the book.

Your position as a first responder is to save life.

 

 

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

See I don't think there is a 'side' in something like this.

Should that copper have leant on George Flloyd's neck until he asphyxiated (whether or not he turned out to be a career criminal)? Absolutely not.

Should that copper have taken Henry Nowack's words seriously and made sure he got the medical attention that might have saved his life? Absolutely yes.

I imagine that's similar to how KS is thinking. 

Does anybody on here disagree with this? 

Oh heck, London will be on shortly accusing you of whataboutery. 

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Why?

They believed the report of a racist attack, and ignored comments from others on scene.

Minds made up before getting there.

Without that "racism" accusation they would have more likely done what they should have- treat the scene as was presented to them upon arrival.

In other words, a man claiming to have been stabbed, with witnesses confirming it.

 

I guess that's what we need an inquiry for

unless the police involved stood up in court and confirmed that was the case? 

they got there and he's lying on the floor saying he can't breathe and he's been stabbed

and they didn't help him

it's their job to help him, and they've not done it

because they think he racially assaulted someone? 

and if not they take it more seriously?

Just now, Zico said:

I guess that's what we need an inquiry for

unless the police involved stood up in court and confirmed that was the case? 

they got there and he's lying on the floor saying he can't breathe and he's been stabbed

and they didn't help him

it's their job to help him, and they've not done it

because they think he racially assaulted someone? 

and if not they take it more seriously?

It doesn't matter what they've done. He could've just nonced a load of kids, it's not up to them to make judgement on what he's just done or apparently done.

They are first responders.

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

It doesn't matter what they've done. He could've just nonced a load of kids, it's not up to them to make judgement on what he's just done or apparently done.

They are first responders.

aye, totally agree

I'd be surprised if they were frantically trying to save him had there not be a suggestion it was a racist attack given how nonchalant they come across

they just don't seem to give a shit

Been caught up in family stuff last couple of days so missed a lot of this..

genuine questions as I say not upto speed

1 is the George Floyd comparison really fair ? In one instance the coppers killed someone, in this they reacted badly when they arrived at the scene and it seems he would have died anyway, not that they knew that. Presume ok to criticise Police without blaming them for the death

2 Do people think people would have treated the murderer differently if he had been Muslim rather than Sikh ? 
 

3 saw that horrible Cunningham woman on TV saying Farages comments about ‘rage’ were aimed at the system not inciting people. Seems like she is playing with words a bit there. Does anyone really think his supporters would appreciate the nuance ? 
 

Fucking awful story, tried to watch the video but switched it off. 

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

aye, totally agree

I'd be surprised if they were frantically trying to save him had there not be a suggestion it was a racist attack given how nonchalant they come across

they just don't seem to give a shit

But did they react that way because they did not realise how serious his injuries were or because of the made up allegation ? 
 

I can not get my head round a copper knowing the event is being recorded (by himself ! And others) thinking I will just let him die irrespective of what he has done. 

3 minutes ago, Ani said:

Been caught up in family stuff last couple of days so missed a lot of this..

genuine questions as I say not upto speed

1 is the George Floyd comparison really fair ? In one instance the coppers killed someone, in this they reacted badly when they arrived at the scene and it seems he would have died anyway, not that they knew that. Presume ok to criticise Police without blaming them for the death

2 Do people think people would have treated the murderer differently if he had been Muslim rather than Sikh ? 
 

3 saw that horrible Cunningham woman on TV saying Farages comments about ‘rage’ were aimed at the system not inciting people. Seems like she is playing with words a bit there. Does anyone really think his supporters would appreciate the nuance ? 
 

Fucking awful story, tried to watch the video but switched it off. 

The George Floyd comparison  is more what happened after, however you can see some similarities in both, two men both placed in hand cuffs, both saying they can breath, both dead within minutes. However like I said the comparison was to what happened after both deaths and the reactions of people.

5 minutes ago, Ani said:

But did they react that way because they did not realise how serious his injuries were or because of the made up allegation ? 
 

I can not get my head round a copper knowing the event is being recorded (by himself ! And others) thinking I will just let him die irrespective of what he has done. 

I'd have understood their thinking if the lad was acting up whilst shouting he's been stabbed.

He was slumped against a wall with a member of the public trying to revive him.

Just can't get my head around it.

 

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

The George Floyd comparison  is more what happened after, however you can see some similarities in both, two men both placed in hand cuffs, both saying they can breath, both dead within minutes. However like I said the comparison was to what happened after both deaths and the reactions of people.

Ok but if there are similarities between the events but there is a major difference in terms of who actually killed the person does not that mean the reactions are likely to be different ? 
 

If he had ‘only’ had the site kicked out of him we would not even know about it so the murder and therefore murderer is the major element surely. The George Floyd death was a consequence of over zealous policing rather than some cunt sticking a knife in someone. 

There was a chain of events starting with the 999 call asking for police, not ambulance. I’ve listened to the call. The Telegraph have it on X. All the right questions were asked and the wrong answers given. The brother said they had been racially attacked both verbally and physically. He was asked what injuries. Facial. Was medical attention required. No. Was a weapon involved. No.

That information would then be passed onto a dispatcher and then any available officers in the area. That information was what the police attending arrived with. I guess that will be the mitigation offered when an inquiry is launched. 

Where it all went horribly wrong for the police, is how they assessed the situation when they got there. We’ve all seen or heard how it went from there.

Edited yesterday at 09:041 day by BobyBrno

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

But did they react that way because they did not realise how serious his injuries were or because of the made up allegation ? 
 

I can not get my head round a copper knowing the event is being recorded (by himself ! And others) thinking I will just let him die irrespective of what he has done. 

I think they don't realise how serious it was

perhaps because the guy accused of the stabbing is still on the scene

perhaps because they couldn't see blood

dunno

but I can't grasp they thought he hadn't been stabbed, because they thought he was racist

like "we don't belive you, because this guy over here said you started it, because you're racist, so we're just going to nick you instead"

or "tough shit mate you deserve it, we're not helping you"

or "we're too scared to belive you in case we get accused of being racist because we didn't belive the brown lad"

or whatever it is that makes this a racial white lives matter let's riot and show cold rage issue for many folk

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I'd have understood their thinking if the lad was acting up whilst shouting he's been stabbed.

He was slumped against a wall with a member of the public trying to revive him.

Just can't get my head around it.

 

If they had ‘failed’ to switch their body cam might make sense, but why act like that when you are filming it ! It is not as though they are relying as evidence someone’s I phone

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

There was a chain of events starting with the 999 call asking for police, not ambulance. I’ve listened to the call. The Telegraph have it on X. All the right questions were asked and the wrong answers given. The brother said they had been racially attacked both verbally and physically. He was asked what injuries. Facial. Was medical attention required. No. Was a weapon involved. No.

That information would then be passed onto a dispatcher and then any available officers in the area. That information was what the police attending arrived with. I guess that will be the mitigation offered when an inquiry is launched. 

Where it all went horribly wrong for the police, is how they assessed the situation when they got there. We’ve all seen or heard how it went from there.

Was it the murderer and/or his family that made the call ?