Meanwhile In England

[bolty58]

4 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

So you're saying if the stabber had been white, the coppers wouldn't have fucked up and would have believed the lad when he told the he'd been stabbed? Really? I find that a massive stretch

Either way, your hero is shitting all over the wishes of a grieving family. What a bloke

 

If I encounter him in the Cross Guns I will give him a piece of my mind.

He may be 82 now but that won't be taken into consideration I assure you.

Fine year 1966 and that's nothing to do with the World Cup.

[royal white]

14 minutes ago, kent_white said:

What's happening? Other than people cherry picking some unrelated stories to suit their narrative and ignoring the literally hundreds of thousands of cases where everything goes perfectly reasonably. 

The fact that you've even heard about them (and that action is being/has been taken) is a sign of a healthy functioning democracy with the right checks and balances in place. Not the opposite which people seem to want to paint it as. 

There’s been 3 that haven’t gone perfectly reasonably in the last week as I’ve already mentioned, any others you know of? 

[DirtySanchez]

28 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

What fucking twaddle. If the stabber had been a scouser, jock or geordie would it have been handled how it was? Would it fuck and you know it.

Ignore the turban. Ignore skin colour. Just establish the facts without any 'positive discrimination'. Not too much to ask is it?

What if they were a Sikh with a Scouse accent? 

[kent_white]

Just now, royal white said:

There’s been 3 that haven’t gone perfectly reasonably in the last week as I’ve already mentioned, any others you know of? 

No - but they're 3 from literally thousands of arrests that have been made. 

3 too many - but a vanishingly small percentage. And all unique in their own way. So not something that sounds like a pattern. Unless the pattern you are looking for is that some ethnic minority or other looked to come out on the more favourable side. 

But this only works if you also highlight all the cases where the reverse is true. Which you won't. Because you won't hear about them. 

And in at least 2 of the three cases you mentioned - someone has been sent to prison as a result. So it's hardly an example of ethnic minorities getting off scott free at the expense of some 'native folk'. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

19 minutes ago, kent_white said:

What's happening? Other than people cherry picking some unrelated stories to suit their narrative and ignoring the literally hundreds of thousands of cases where everything goes perfectly reasonably. 

The fact that you've even heard about them (and that action is being/has been taken) is a sign of a healthy functioning democracy with the right checks and balances in place. Not the opposite which people seem to want to paint it as. 

There are many cases of things being done unprofessionally. 

Information is available, it's just whether folk want to find it.

Which is the reverse of you post. 

I agree that in general we don't need to know about the innumerable cases the police deal with.

Numerous crimes are readily reported on, and rightly so, where they are particularly serious or unusual, however there is a dearth of reporting generally around issues of unequal policing, along various lines.

As I said above, there are also numerous interviews with former officers available too.

When former officers reveal previous experience of corruption or poor performance, then you would rightly expect them to make the news.

Yet those revelations would appear to be very narrow in their scope- at least historically. That is now changing thankfully. 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

No - but they're 3 from literally thousands of arrests that have been made. 

3 too many - but a vanishingly small percentage. And all unique in their own way. So not something that sounds like a pattern. Unless the pattern you are looking for is that some ethnic minority or other looked to come out on the more favourable side. 

But this only works if you also highlight all the cases where the reverse is true. Which you won't. Because you won't hear about them. 

And in at least 2 of the three cases you mentioned - someone has been sent to prison as a result. So it's hardly an example of ethnic minorities getting off scott free at the expense of some 'native folk'. 

I’m not on about the arrests, I’m on about 3 major fuck ups in one week. One wasn’t jailed, 3 were sent to a rehab one was jailed.  All I’m saying is it doesn’t look good on the police, the jurors and the judges something I brought up earlier in the week, 

[kent_white]

16 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’m not on about the arrests, I’m on about 3 major fuck ups in one week. One wasn’t jailed, 3 were sent to a rehab one was jailed.  All I’m saying is it doesn’t look good on the police, the jurors and the judges something I brought up earlier in the week, 

Fair enough. I'm not sure the jury can be blamed for not giving the outcome you were hoping for. Especially seen as it was two different juries and they both concluded similarly. Presumably they had access to all the evidence. I've no idea about the racial make up of the jury if that's what you're driving at? Anyway the main peep was jailed who punched that female copper so fair do's. 

The second is being looked at again and I'd be surprised if they don't get jail time. 

The third the bloke has been jailed for 18 years. 

So no - taken as individual events - none of them look great. And if that's genuinely all you were driving at then I agree with you. Although they have to be taken in context. 

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Fair enough. I'm not sure the jury can be blamed for not giving the outcome you were hoping for. Especially seen as it was two different juries and they both concluded similarly. Presumably they had access to all the evidence. I've no idea about the racial make up of the jury if that's what you're driving at? Anyway the main peep was jailed who punched that female copper so fair do's. 

The second is being looked at again and I'd be surprised if they don't get jail time. 

The third the bloke has been jailed for 18 years. 

So no - taken as individual events - none of them look great. And if that's genuinely all you were driving at then I agree with you. Although they have to be taken in context. 

Yep, I can’t remember the last time the PM came out and spoke publicly about 2 different crimes in the space of a week, as for the jurors I’m siding with the police on this one, presumably they also had access to all the evidence and also spoke out about how they disagreed with the outcome. 

[Traf]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

The coppers behaviour had nothing to do with racism.

It had everything to do with him not doing his job correctly, being totally inept and all round massive cunt of a human being that has no right working for our police force. 

He failed in every single way possible. He failed to help a person clearly in distress, clearly in pain, clearly unable to stand or up even breath. 

The lad posed no risk to anyone but the first thing he thought to do was put him in handcuffs, despite him being totally collapsed and unable move and posing no resistance.

The fucker should face manslaughter charges for allowing him to suffer and die.

 

40 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’m not on about the arrests, I’m on about 3 major fuck ups in one week. One wasn’t jailed, 3 were sent to a rehab one was jailed.  All I’m saying is it doesn’t look good on the police, the jurors and the judges something I brought up earlier in the week, 

Yet some are blaming Starmer and the Government directly.

[royal white]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

The coppers behaviour had nothing to do with racism.

It had everything to do with him not doing his job correctly, being totally inept and all round massive cunt of a human being that has no right working for our police force. 

He failed in every single way possible. He failed to help a person clearly in distress, clearly in pain, clearly unable to stand or up even breath. 

The lad posed no risk to anyone but the first thing he thought to do was put him in handcuffs, despite him being totally collapsed and unable move and posing no resistance.

The fucker should face manslaughter charges for allowing him to suffer and die.

I thought you was on about George Floyd’s death after reading the first line 

[Sweep]

24 minutes ago, Traf said:

 

Yet some are blaming Starmer and the Government directly.

They're dicks though, and should be ignored. Sadly, they seem to be the ones shouting loudest

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Everyone will have their own view obviously, but I do think the officer  decided before attending the scene that Novak was a racist and allowed his own views to take over 

I can't really understand why there was a need to place Novak in handcuffs given the state he was in, and I wonder how much it was to signal to the murderer's family that they were taking this report of a racist incident seriously

It was also apparently the case that the murderer himself was never placed in handcuffs at any point, either during or after his arrest, which seems extraordinary and is quite a contrast in approach

I think it's unlikely the contemptuous attitude of that police officer happens in a vacuum, and there are probably questions to be asked about institutional bias and possibly even whether how things like the MacPherson principle/police training courses might've guided his behaviour

The same disdain was on display during many of the grooming gangs cases, where there was evidence of underage girls being arrested for being drunk and disorderly in a room surrounded by Asian men, and no police officer asked questions about how or why she was there or what responsibility those men might have for her being there, and desperate fathers being arrested outside the houses where their daighters were held captive (itself a result of the refusal of the authorities to act)

[gonzo]

33 minutes ago, royal white said:

I thought you was on about George Floyd’s death after reading the first line 

I'd say his death had everything to do with racism.

Two totally different cases.

If you don't think black folk are targeted and treated differently by US cops then you're on Mars. 

Plus the copper actually knelt on the blokes neck till he died.

It caused so much backlash and outrage across the US because blacks treatment by police over there spanning decades.

Then it was hijacked by knobs and woke weirdos over this way.

[Traf]

15 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I'd say his death had everything to do with racism.

Two totally different cases.

If you don't think black folk are targeted and treated differently by US cops then you're on Mars. 

Plus the copper actually knelt on the blokes neck till he died.

It caused so much backlash and outrage across the US because blacks treatment by police over there spanning decades.

Then it was hijacked by knobs and woke weirdos over this way.

In one.

[royal white]

27 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I'd say his death had everything to do with racism.

Two totally different cases.

If you don't think black folk are targeted and treated differently by US cops then you're on Mars. 

Plus the copper actually knelt on the blokes neck till he died.

It caused so much backlash and outrage across the US because blacks treatment by police over there spanning decades.

Then it was hijacked by knobs and woke weirdos over this way.

I’d say Known convicts are treated different whatever the colour. 

[gonzo]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’d say Known convicts are treated different whatever the colour. 

But there's 100% an issue with the police targeting and treating black folk differently in the US.

There's like decades of evidence to back this up. George Floyd in many people's eyes, including mine, was one of millions of cases.

That incident lit the torch paper.

Bit like the riots over here last year.

We've got Tommy Robinson down leading protests in Southampton as we speak. 

Folk can't wait to kick off.

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, gonzo said:

But there's 100% an issue with the police targeting and treating black folk differently in the US.

There's like decades of evidence to back this up. George Floyd in many people's eyes, including mine, was one of millions of cases.

That incident lit the torch paper.

Bit like the riots over here last year.

We've got Tommy Robinson down leading protests in Southampton as we speak. 

Folk can't wait to kick off.

There is evidence of that, there’s also evidence career criminals are treated different. Considering this one was a career criminal and also off his nut makes me thinks that’s the reason he ended up dead 

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

7 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Never misses an opportunity to play the cunt that fella

Neither does Farage

[burnden]

Kicking off in Southampton at a protest against plod

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, burnden said:

Kicking off in Southampton at a protest against plod

"Protest"

[gonzo]

12 minutes ago, burnden said:

Kicking off in Southampton at a protest against plod

Feel like kicking off myself. But only at that schnivelling copper with his shitty wank attitude that left a lad my sons age to die.

He should be made to face the parents.

This attack has nothing to do with Islam or boat folk. I get the public anger but Tommy turning up is just ridiculous.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Feel like kicking off myself. But only at that schnivelling copper with his shitty wank attitude that left a lad my sons age to die.

He should be made to face the parents.

This attack has nothing to do with Islam or boat folk. I get the public anger but Tommy turning up is just ridiculous.

Was probably to do with racism