I think it depends on temps, I wore the down jacket with a baselayer and light fleece, i did 10 miles round winter hill during the snow, felt fine, but probably too warm at other times
This is what I'd normally wear
Base layer, then this
https://www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/arcteryx-mens-atom-sl-hoody-black__39051?currency=GBP&chosenAttribute=26439-BLA-L&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyqGdh-GZ7gIVCr_tCh1Dwgd_EAQYBCABEgKLevD_BwE
And a gtx jacket
Lots of breathability and the waterproof has zips under the arms to help air circulation