Welcome to today's fun time who we bigger than debate

First up...

Birmingham City.

Yay or Nay.

All round gut feeling is the key. 

2 hours ago, bolton va va said:

West Ham's support has changed markedly, a few years back, they were largely from rough, east end areas of London but now they seem to mostly be Essex gobshites..........& that wanky crossed arms thing they do now, the old school lot didn't do that.

If you look at KUMB, posts suggest half the crowd are tourists. Literally tourists.

QPR are a local team for local people - used to live a few miles away in Acton. Chelsea fans came in from miles away - not surprising considering their location as most Fulham Road occupants who went there were rich and did it the rich way. The standard fans travelled in. And then in not necessarily great numbers. Wasn't there 17k or summat on to witness Sasa's wonder goal against them?

23 hours ago, gonzo said:

Think we are in the most populated with football club area in world football.

 

Aye, in addition to the 19 mentioned Barrow are also in the old Lancashire boundary and Southport were in the third tier for 72-73 after promotion in a year that saw NW teams win all 4 divisions (them, us, Burnley and Liverpool).

The combined size of Leicestershire, Notts and Derbyshire equaled that of Lancashire. But all they've had post war is Leics, Forest and Derby as major players, County a level down and then Chesterfield and Mansfield as also rans.

Leicester you say.....

Bigger than Leicester up until they won the league.

Reckon they’ve jumped several places in the last decade, above the likes of us, Rovers, Sheff Utd. 

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Leicester you say.....

Level pegging prior to them winning the PL and FA cup 

They did alright in the league cup in the 90s mind, 3 finals and 2 wins in 4 seasons

Like Ipswich & brum better supported than us 

13 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

Like Ipswich & brum better supported than us 

Are they though?

In the grand scheme of things?

8 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Are they though?

In the grand scheme of things?

For me it’s about the now not what a club won 100 years ago etc

Ipswich & Leicester away support has been phenomenal for years we could only dream of taking some of their numbers

these are the types of clubs who wouldn’t not sell out for semi finals & finals, brum are a funny one but when it matters can turn out with the best 

Considering where we've been and where we are I reckon our numbers in past 10 years stack up to most.

Better numbers than latter stages of Prem.

Reckon folk will view us as pretty decent.

 

Just now, gonzo said:

Considering where we've been and where we are I reckon our numbers in past 10 years stack up to most.

Better numbers than latter stages of Prem.

Reckon folk will view us as pretty decent.

 

We are

but imo others are a notch higher and do it consistently 

4 hours ago, SatanGreavsie said:

If you look at KUMB, posts suggest half the crowd are tourists. Literally tourists.

QPR are a local team for local people - used to live a few miles away in Acton. Chelsea fans came in from miles away - not surprising considering their location as most Fulham Road occupants who went there were rich and did it the rich way. The standard fans travelled in. And then in not necessarily great numbers. Wasn't there 17k or summat on to witness Sasa's wonder goal against them?

The whole getup of London clubs and where their fans come from etc is just beyond me. Especially when we’ve had a few away games in recent months where Midlands stations have been mobbed with Arsenal and Spurs fans. Coming back from Luton and there was a train rammed with West Ham fans coming out of St Pancras that didn’t have its first stop until somewhere daft like Grantham. 

The crowd factor has been massively swayed by massive population increase with massive wealth increase in the south east and London in particular. There's just loads of people there with a lot of disposable income to watch football, any football, doesn't matter who. 

I've sat in the "neutral stand" at Fulham before. Absolutely packed with people just looking for something to do on a Saturday.

Doesn't make those clubs massive now, but over time these massive crowds will slowly filter through to more money and better chances of being in the premier league and winning stuff, and therefore being massive in this debate in 30 years time.

We're fighting a losing battle on demographics and wealth.

22 hours ago, L/H White said:

Liverpool?

Where do they rank in the world?

Depends on what we are ranking them on. Terrace mayhem involving death, clear no. 1.

13 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Depends on what we are ranking them on. Terrace mayhem involving death, clear no. 1.

Self pity league they’re also well clear at the top of that league as well. 

5th or 6th Liverpool for me. 

In the AC Milan bracket.

14 minutes ago, gonzo said:

5th or 6th Liverpool for me. 

In the AC Milan bracket.

Hahaha

Real Madrid 

Man Utd

Barcelona

Liverpool

AC Milan 

Juventus

Bayern Munich

 

Not necessarily in that order, but thems the biggest

Anyone else?

46 minutes ago, Zico said:

Real Madrid 

Man Utd

Barcelona

Liverpool

AC Milan 

Juventus

Bayern Munich

 

Not necessarily in that order, but thems the biggest

Anyone else?

Big argument for Ajax. For me theres no place at the top table for PSG..... yet.

Edited March 22, 20242 yr by Underpants

5 minutes ago, Underpants said:

Big argument for Ajax. For me theres no place at the top table for PSG..... yet.

yeah, did think about Ajax, they'd be on that list, but probably 8th

PSG are nowhere near, they have done fuck all in Europe, 1 CWC back in the 90s

they've a lot of catching up to do to get near any of those teams

domestically, they've won 11 titles, 9 of those have come since 2012/13 after the money started rolling in

1 hour ago, Zico said:

Real Madrid 

Man Utd

Barcelona

Liverpool

AC Milan 

Juventus

Bayern Munich

 

Not necessarily in that order, but thems the biggest

Anyone else?

.

Edited March 22, 20242 yr by L/H White

3 minutes ago, L/H White said:

Barca over LIverpool? no chance

fucking hell

give it up

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

fucking hell

give it up

You don't get players leaving Barca for Liverpool.

Simples.

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

You don't get players leaving Barca for Liverpool.

Simples.

players choose money over history, it's not how it used to be 

 

4 minutes ago, L/H White said:

players choose money over history, it's not how it used to be 

 

Of course not.

2 minutes ago, L/H White said:

players choose money over history, it's not how it used to be 

 

Barca are a legacy club mate. An absolute juggernaut.

Bigger than your boys. Not by much like but there's only United and Real above them. I'd have em level pegging with United tbh.